Constitutional Support

thomas vance Published:

Ask most people , where in the Constitution of our great and free nation does the Constitution allow the Federal Government to prohibit the use of drugs and they can’t answer. As free individuals we should be able to decide for ourselves what or what not to put in our bodies, so where does the Federal Government get it’s authority to prohibit certain drugs and allow others?

Strangely enough the authority actually comes from our Constitutional requirement to abide and enforce the international treaties we are signatories to. The current United Nations Convention on Drugs, in force since 1990, requires it’s signatories to enforce and promote a policy of total prohibition when handling their drug problems. Harry Anslinger, the first Drug Czar, realized his dream of a world wide policy on drugs and the United Nations signed on to the American example of total prohibition thus achieving Constitutional support for a policy that otherwise would be, by any measure, unconstitutional. This dubious achievement has caused world wide misery, suffering and death over these last 99 years and currently results in the arrest of 750,000 American citizens every year for marijuana possession alone. It costs over 51 billion dollars a year and untold billions in lost productivity and as a result what have we accomplished? The reform group Law Enforcement Against Prohibition says that when prohibition as policy became law in 1914 with the Harrison Act roughly 1.3% of the population was addicted to drugs. In 1937 with the enactment of the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act, declared unconstitutional in 1969, the percentage was 1.3%. The enactment of the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 again found the rate at 1.3%. Now in 2013 the estimate is still at 1.3%. Ninety-nine years and no positive change in the numbers.

Finally, and none too late, science and reason is starting to break through the shell of denial hiding the reality of the failure of our current policies. United Nations members like Uruguay, Peru, Columbia, and Portugal are ignoring the UN Conventions and creating policies that recognize the need for reform based on harm reduction and not punishment. With South American leaders at the forefront there are calls for reform of the entire UN Convention on Drugs itself. Reform is in the air among UN member nations as science and logic undermine the ideological attachment to prohibition. The entire UN Convention could be completely reworked as a result. This could very well remove any constitutional support for our current prohibition laws rendering them unconstitutional!

Geeze! Ya think allowing people the freedom to decide for themselves would be any worse than it already is? It could be so bad we might revert to the percentage of the population using drugs going back to what it was before the Harrison Act when prohibition started. Certainly we don’t want that percentage being any higher than it currently is at 1.3%. What would we do then?

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  • anonymous knows everything...the Precogs told me.

  • I am not going to fall for that. I know you want to know who I am but I am not going to fall into your trap. This is so pathetic that it is laughable. Okay "hun" if you know me who am I? Can't say can you....cause you don't know. HaHaHa!!

  • And yes, I know you otherwise.

  • Yeah, sure, figured you'd claim it ain't you. lol Sorry hun I was there when you changed you little moniker.

  • anonymous....Would you like another guess because that's all it is. I will give you a hint....first name starts with a D and the last name starts with a T. Ha ha I love it when someone shows how much of an a$$ they are. You need to get another job....mind reader ain't working out to good for ya! I can't quit laughing!

  • 1713s name has been stated. ukfan, I won't name your full name. Suffice to say your first name starts with a T and your last name with an S.

  • 1713s name has been tossed around already. Sure it's not important but it's interesting to know what people outside this forum think of him. Yes, he clearly doesn't agree with my opinions and I have lost all respect for him when he started being disrespectful and nasty. As a fan of his, you, 1713fan, of course ignore it. Sorry I bash your idol. But he is only getting back kind what he so generously has dished out.

  • bodeen...I enjoy posting on here and respect the fact that not everyone is going to agree on everything. I just wish a few of them would respect that fact also. Go ahead and state your case but you don't have to be so nasty to others. You have always been respectful and I really appreciate that. And I really don't care if someone thinks they know who I am and reveals it here. It's not like it would change my thoughts on any of the subjects that I comment on.

  • annon, I remember very well how recon posted & at times I honestly think that marketing director is the same person but thats just me & I could be wrong. It doesn't matter one way or the other either way because if they are the same then the rhetoric is toned way, way down. I agreed a lot with recon marine on certain subjects but hated his cyber bullying towards anybody that disagreed. I would imagine if a person loves posting on this site & was banned over threats name calling then it is reasonable to guess that they would sign back up under a different monicker & tone it down. I enjoy some of 1713's views & think he is right on how some things are. One thing for sure, if people wants their anonymity to remain anonymous then thats the way it should remain. Outing people can keep truths from being told & costs people their jobs or relationships. My advice to others who thinks that they might know who somebody is, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

  • anonymous...or should I say "mr.ESP..if you are the all knowing then go ahead and name names. I don't care go ahead. Your reasoning for knowing who I am is crazy.

  • 1713 is a troll alright. I know who you both are from the way you write here and elsewhere. I know from the information you have provided. Granted, it was way too easy to figure out 1713. But he likes it that way anyway.

  • ukfan, anonymous doesn't KNOW anything...don't feed the trolls.

  • anonymous....how do you know who I am? It really doesn't matter. But yes I have agreed with "some" of what 1713 has posted but so what? At least he has taken the time to research the topic. I agree he does go on and on at times. I feel that everyone has the right to express their opinions right or wrong. We are still living in a free world....right?

  • Oh, and mom I know for sure 1713 and ukfan are two different people. I know who they are in real life.

  • bodeen, you have been around long enough to remember how recon posted. Marketing_Director sounds nothing like it. Arguing Marketing_Director claimed not to be 1713? If you would want to portray two people and have been outed, would you admit to it? That said, it's an interesting theory and I can see how she came up with it. Heck, ukfan has indeed always cheered on 1713, in this form and previous monikers. Marketing_Director and 1713 have style similarities. Who really cares? If it's three different people or one portraying three, it's at least more interesting to read than just 1713's repeat copy paste jobs.

  • Thank you bodeen but I doubt she will even believe you. I quit posting on here for a while because of this very same thing. Some people can not just discuss issues.. they want to belittle and make fun of others. At least you and a few of the others that regularly post on here discuss the issues at hand.

  • Busted UKFAN aka 1713 (according to momma)........Has Recon been reincarnated as momma :-)... momma either hasn't been reading this forum long or (it) hasn't been paying attention. Even Marketing_Director knows that they are TWO VERY DIFFERENT POSTERS! H@ll, they are two different sexes at that. Just because you may not like or agree with 1713 doesn't mean he isn't right at times. Some thinks that he wants to give kids heroin everyday just because he sees the bullsh!t ways the man fights drugs. If only people can live their own lives for not worrying how others live theirs.

  • Well, see, that's the problem if you are trying to handle multiple user ids. You tend to forget which id posted what. I can't help it, if you don't remember anymore what you posted as 1713 and what you posted as a fan of yourself. You need to do a better job in keeping your multiple personalities straight.

  • mom3 if you are going to quote do it word for word. Dont put words in my mouth. And as far as being proven wrong multiple times......and claiming nobody ever did?? WTF are you talking about? Iam not saying that I am always right but I have no idea what you are referring to.

  • "You are right you don't need one cause you don't have anything worth rooting for." It's so uncanny how you are just like 1713. "it does not make you a "cheerleader" to agree with someone on the basis of the merit of their arguments. " Yet there is no merit to your arguments. You have been proven wrong multiple times. Still you claim nobody ever did.

  • ukfan, YOU are correct, it does not make you a "cheerleader" to agree with someone on the basis of the merit of their arguments. That is just a tactic used by those who do not have the capability to mount even the most simplistic rebuttal to anything that has been said on this site. When all that one can do is to pull a Clint Eastwood at the Republican National Convention, where he screamed at an empty chair for 12 minutes that was supposed to symbolize who he thought that the President was, but was anything but, a serious case can be made about their sanity. Even responding to these entities is nothing short of punching down, and frankly, really boring. Maybe if we ignore them, they will go away...hint, hint.

  • While some states like Kentucky stumble along by following the financial advice from notable market wizards like the Kentucky State Police, other states are moving into what a cadre of old and new money investors are calling "the growth industry in America for the next 10 years." This is according to Fortune Magazine's latest cover story, "Marijuana, Inc.", currently available on your news stands today. .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Also, CNNMoney reports that pot paraphernalia startups are rapidly taking root, like UpToke, a startup company that manufactures a handheld vaporizer, but it's just one of a new wave of startups taking advantage of relaxed marijuana laws. ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2013/03/21/f-marijuana-uptoke-startup.fortune/index.html ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Reuters reports: HOLLYWOOD, Calif., March 22, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Medbox, Inc. (OTC Markets: MDBX) (www.medboxinc.com), a leader in providing industry specific consulting services and patented systems to the medical and retail industries worldwide, was featured in a Fortune Magazine cover story entitled "Marijuana Inc. - Meet the Entrepreneurs and Investors Firing Up a New Industry." ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ The article followed a group of businessmen, investors and wealthy individuals who believe that the prohibition era for marijuana in America is coming to an end and that a legitimate cannabis industry is now taking shape. "Some investors are scions of old money, like Joby Pritzker, of the Hyatt Hotel chain dynasty, and Richard Wolfe, whose family bought the Columbus Dispatch in 1905," according to Fortune. "Others are self-made. Adam Wiggins, for instance, cofounded Heroku, a cloud-platform that was purchased by Salesforce.com for $250 million." ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Medbox and its CEO, Dr. Bruce Bedrick, were also featured in the article. The writer marveled at the company's share price and market capitalization, which according to Fortune is in the $620 million range. "Business is driving the change," according to Troy Dayton of the ArcView Group. "Business is the most powerful platform for political change that's ever existed," he says. "When there is money for government, money for investors, money for entrepreneurs, and benefits to communities, that's a powerful incentive for change." In other news, Medbox announced that to accommodate more people, their second free public educational and informational seminar on the medical marijuana industry in San Diego has been rescheduled to April 6, 2013. ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Landlords, patients, potential dispensary operators, law enforcement, and city officials are welcome to attend. Complete details regarding that event are listed below: Courtyard by Marriott San Diego Mission Valley/Hotel Circle 595 Hotel Circle S San Diego, CA 92108 (Between Camino De La Reina & Fashion Valley Rd)

  • I don't believe that I have agreed with "everything anyone" has said on here. I have agreed with some of what he has said but that doesn't make me a cheerleader. You are right you don't need one cause you don't have anything worth rooting for.

  • "Just because you don't agree with everyone on here does not make all of your opinions gospel." True, but you seem to take 1713s comments as gospel. That makes you a cheerleader of his. I don't need one. Unlike 1713 I'm good in the self-esteem department.

  • You go Mom 3. 1713 I am hurt you forgot about me when you stated on another post that mom 3 was the only one that thinks your post are imature. :)

  • Sorry to burst your bubble mom3 but I could care less. You are the one on here showing how parinoid and immature you are. Do you think you are the only one allowed to voice their opinions on here? Just because you don't agree with everyone on here does not make all of your opinions gospel. Don't like it too bad. I too call them like I see them. Who's your cheerleader on here? I don't think 1713 needs one he seems to be doing pretty good for himself.

  • I call it the way I see it. It doesn't make me racist to have thought 1713 is black because I has posted expressively anti-white stuff before. Marketing_Director may have posted before but it is all too convenient he popped back up just when 1713 was referring to him. And you, ukfan, have been 1713s cheerleader for at least the last few months I have read this paper. Don't like it? Too bad. I'm not the only one who thinks it's more than a coincidence.

  • Marketing Director, everybody on here is anonymous, regardless of what pseudonym that they use, as there is no verification of who actually wrote what. In fact, it is ridiculous to have pseudonyms on an anonymous site, but it is equally ridiculous to not have paragraph breaks, but it is what it is. Nobody on here cares who you say that you are or aren't, especially me. Your postings speak for themselves and reveal that regardless of whoever you are, that they are as KSU Professor Dan Green calls it, "uninspired, lusterless, visionless, myopic". I will also add that they are mean-spirited and severely lacking in empathy. With that kind of content, who cares who you are, so don't flatter yourself that I would ever bother to even try to find out.

  • And not that I would in any way stand up for 1713, but anyone who thinks that my postings are coming from some "alternate identity" of 1713....clearly needs to have their head examined.

  • Portugal did not "legalize" drugs they removed prison sentences; people are and can still be highly fined for drug use and possession in Portugal. ************************************************************************************************************************************************* "The drug policy of Portugal was put in place in 2000, and was legally effective from July 2001. The new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. However, the offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the amount possessed was no more than ten days' supply of that substance." ********************************************************************************************************************************************** Portugal also has the highest IV drug user rates in Europe, and in concert has the highest rate of HIV among injecting drug users in the European Union. The number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among drug users has decreased to 13.4 cases per million in 2009 but that is still high above the European average, at 2.85 cases per million. ********************************************************************************************************************************************** So yes by all means let us decriminalize drugs,....we could all use a little more AIDS in our lives. Not to mention that Portugal has 10 Million citizens,......on average the same number of people who live and work in NYC on any given day of the week. 45% of the country's AIDS cases come from IV drug users, and they have a estimated Heroin addiction rate of between 50 and 100 Thousand people in the year 2000, that number has now grown by an estimated 20%. The issue isn't whether drugs should be legal or not....the issue is that "Drugs ARE Bad", and decriminalizing their use does NOT prevent them from being BAD. Commonsense tells you that when something is legal more people are going to have access to it, more people are going to try it, and more people with addictive personalities are going to get hooked on it...and we the American people are on the hook to pay for their medical treatment. Not only that but their influence they have on others to use peer pressure as a tool to spread the growth of the addiction and use. You might believe you have a right to use whatever drugs you want, but you do not have a right to force society to take care of you once you become addicted to them.

  • Excuse me mom3 but I did not attack you so why are you being so hateful. I have not aligned myself with 1713, I was just stating a fact about how long he has been posting on here. Besides how can you tell from someones postings on here what race they are? You seem to be the one that is having a problem with "race and rumors." You are berating 1713 for the exact same thing you are doing to me.

  • Oy, mom3, watch it or **** have your posting rights removed. Wouldn't be the first.

  • ukfan, 'curiously enough white' means he comes off as being black. He constantly plays the race card and distances himself from all white folks. And that's the only political pot he keeps stirring. Making sure the races are still at odds against each other. Looks to me like he wants to make sure white people keep hating black people. An odd choice considering what I have been told about his children. As far as using the name Marketing_Director. I think it is strange this 'poster' pops up, when it suits 1713. BTW, the way you post, you might want to change your id to 1713fan.

  • US House of Representative Ron Paul is one of the few sane heads in our government on this issue and the failed War on Drugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbqwdOpiZY

  • The science is definitely there for decriminalization of at least marijuana...now we just have to get the politicians, DEA (police) and the private prison industry out of the way. The stakes are just too high to allow the special interests like those on the following list to get in the way any longer: ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 1.) Police Unions: Police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget. In March, we published a story revealing that a police union lobbyist in California coordinated the effort to defeat Prop 19, a ballot measure in 2010 to legalize marijuana, while helping his police department clients collect tens of millions in federal marijuana-eradication grants. And it's not just in California. Federal lobbying disclosures show that other police union lobbyists have pushed for stiffer penalties for marijuana-related crimes nationwide. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 2.) Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. As Republic Report's Matt Stoller noted last year, Corrections Corporation of America, one of the largest for-profit prison companies, revealed in a regulatory filing that continuing the drug war is part in parcel to their business strategy. Prison companies have spent millions bankrolling pro-drug war politicians and have used secretive front groups, like the American Legislative Exchange Council, to pass harsh sentencing requirements for drug crimes. ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 3.) Alcohol and Beer Companies: Fearing competition for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach. For instance, the California Beer & Beverage Distributors contributed campaign contributions to a committee set up to prevent marijuana from being legalized and taxed. .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 4.) Pharmaceutical Corporations: Like the sin industries listed above, pharmaceutical interests would like to keep marijuana illegal so American don't have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now lobbies the government to relax marijuana prohibition laws, told Republic Report that next to police unions, the "second biggest opponent on Capitol Hill is big PhRMA" because marijuana can replace "everything from Advil to Vicodin and other expensive pills." ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 5.) Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping $1 million to defeat a measure that would have "reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison." ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Of course, who is making the money on what is always important when it comes to determining whether a substance like marijuana is decriminalized. But the reasons why alcohol and tobacco are not made illegal are more complex than merely the loss of taxes paid on them, even though all illegal drug use combined even comes close to accounting for the carnage of these two. ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... A quick review of the facts reveal: According to the CDC, an estimated 45.3 million people, or 19.3% of all adults (aged 18 years or older), in the United States smoke cigarettes. Cigarette smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the United States, accounting for approximately 443,000 deaths, or 1 of every 5 deaths, in the United States each year. ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Fifty percent of the adults in America are current regular drinkers, 39% of the kids ages 12-17 have had at least one drink in their lifetimes and 63% of full time college students reportedly used alcohol in the past month. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ According to the CDC, there are approximately 79,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States. This makes excessive alcohol use the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation. In the single year 2005, there were more than 1.6 million hospitalizations and more than 4 million emergency room visits for alcohol-related conditions. ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... As can be seen, the carnage of these two drugs is astounding, but what would making them illegal do? First of all, as much as the private prison industrial complex would love it, we could not build enough prisons to hold all of the violators. It would literally choke our legal system to the point of non-functioning. You just can't put everybody in jail for doing things that may or may not be good for them. Nor should you even try. ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Then there would be a violent black market organized crime syndicate develop to fill the void in the supply that would make anything in Mexico or Columbia look tame. The biggest problems that we have with the current prohibition of some drugs in this country stem from them being illegal, not from health impacts. The cure is worse than the disease. Adding tobacco and alcohol to this prohibition would be futile and add to the insanity of the current Drug War.

  • MD- Portugal effectively did that, made them all legal when they ended the crime of Criminal Possession. It is no longer a crime in Portugal to possess or use Drugs. Transfer and sale are still Illegal. Harms resulting from drug use have fallen 30 to 50% across the board. Don't take my word for it. Google Portugal and drug refornm or portugal and drugs and ck it out for yourself.

  • http://www.michaelshouse.com/drug-addiction/the-statistics/ ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* In 2010 there was an estimated 22.6 million Americans over the age of 12 that were current or former illicit drug users within the last month of when the survey was given; This equates to about 8.9 percent of the population aged 12 or older. The drug marijuana was the most commonly used illegal substance. There was about 17.4 million individuals who used it in the past month from when the survey was taken. From 2007 and 2010, those numbers increased to 6.9 percent, up from 5.8 or 14.4 million to 17.4 million users. Individuals 50 to 59 years of age, their rate of past drug use went up from 2.7 percent to 5.8 percent from 2002 to 2010 Since 1980, the number of deaths related to drug overdoses has risen over 540 percent. The most commonly abused drug (other than alcohol) in the United States by individuals over the age of 12 is Marijuana, followed by prescription painkillers, cocaine and hallucinogens. Each year, drug abuse and drug addiction cost employers over 122 billion dollar in lost productivity time and another 15 billion dollars in health insurance costs. Baltimore, Maryland has more per capita individuals living with heroin addiction than any other state in the U.S. Since 1990, the number of individuals who take prescription drugs illegally is believed to have risen by over 500 percent. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** But hey lets make them legal,.........

  • 1713 is an often banned user of these forums named James Daniels (if I am not for off, which I rarely am, or he could be Mr. West a former or current - who can keep track - employee of the SJ who logs in as an anonymous visitor to attack people who post, without taking the chance of being sued along with the SJ for comments he might make while acting as an employee of the paper), who continues to accuse me of being a local photographer from Frankfort named Wayne Stacy (I am not, I have posted my name and even my address several times, which he ignores.) Mr. Stacy and I share many of the same views.....but as you will notice I commented that alcohol too could be considered banned (he chooses to ignore much of the contents of any posts that do not inflate his own agenda.), just like he refuses to address the facts of any given subject. Just like the drug addiction rates, that were false addressed and then readdressed... even the CDC agrees with what I posted: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/druguse.htm ********************************************************************************************************************************************** Percent of persons 12 years of age and over with any illicit drug use in the past month: 8.7% (2009) Percent of persons 12 years of age and over with marijuana use in the past month: 6.6% (2009) Percent of persons 12 years of age and over with any nonmedical use of a psychotherapeutic drug in the past month: 2.8% (2009) = 20 Million+ ********************************************************************************************************************************************** No anonymous tries to impugn the integrity of others without facts or substance, because his own agendas do not "hold water" as the old saying goes.

  • mom3......marketing director has been here longer than 1713. I have been monitoring this site for years and 1713 is correct. Nothing wrong with stirring the pot once in a while....it keeps things from burning. And why does being "old, white and having nothing to do" make someone pathetic. Whether he/she is right or wrong he/she lives in a free society to speak their mind. If we all had the same thoughts this would be a very boring world. One more question.....what does "curiously enough white" mean? I think your description of this person could be just about describe most of the senior citizen of Frankfort.

  • lol, really, he was here before you? Sure, right, that's why he suddenly pops up. I have to go back to not reading your posts. Too much nonsense and only occasionally amusing. I heard you were old and curiously enough white with nothing else to do but try and stir the political pot in any way you can. I sure hope, when I'm old I don't end up being that pathetic. You are like the guy who walks on the street and tells everybody, doomsday is coming or the sky is falling or the aliens will arrive soon.

  • 1137: "Only strict constructionists have faith in the constitution at this point, it's a bias document like most other government documents, and it is carefully worded to serve the interests of a few and not the many." ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ Actually, the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution Bill of Rights, is written pretty simply in its protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. In the last few decades it has been eroded significantly by the activist judges/Republican appointees of the SCOTUS, using the drug war as a justification. These activist judges have allowed the US to become virtually a police state, and once citizens lose their rights to privacy, they never get them back. Once you open Pandora's Box, that lid will never go back on...slippery slopes and all. The SCOTUS has bastardized the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as these things were never in the original intent as framed by the founding fathers. How would they ever imagine that SCOTUS would declare that "corporations are people, my friend". ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ Nowadays, the police can stop and search you anytime, anywhere, just because they say you looked suspicious. They can manufacture "probable cause" for a search of your car or house, where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, by saying that they smelled drugs. The police can lie to you, sell you drugs and contraband and then turn around and arrest you for buying it from them! They can stop you in your car at selected locations and charge you with trafficking drugs within a 1000 yards of a school, for just possessing some drugs in your vehicle, which they purposefully stopped near a school for just this reason. ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... The police can confiscate (steal) your property if they can fit it into a very loose rule that says that it was used in the commission of a crime or was the ill gotten gains of drug assets. To do this, they only have to show to an administrative law hearing officer (not a judge) that more likely than not it meets this criteria, not beyond a reasonable doubt like in criminal court. Last year our Sheriff's Office busted a grow room in a house where a guy also had his extensive gun collection, including many historic pieces. They confiscated (stole) over 40 guns and sold them, or who knows, they may have kept the really expensive ones! The law provides that this whole administrative hearing process can occur well before the defendant is even found guilty in a court of law. It is actually the burden of the defendant to PROVE to the hearing officer that the confiscated guns, etc., wasn't used in or obtained as a result of a crime. The Drug War has certainly screwed up the whole relationship between a man and his private property. .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. The police routinely use trumped up trafficking charges against folks who have over a very small quantity in there possession when arrested. The facts and the truth surely become garbled in this Drug War of ours, by DESIGN, as surely those arrested weren't trying to sell anything to anybody when they were driving down the highway. But the law allows folks to be charged with trafficking drugs when all that they were doing was possessing a certain quantity of them. Maybe I am just old fashioned about this, but shouldn't our criminal justice system be required to operate on a much higher standard than this, where lies and exaggerations are commonplace in the court room, and all with a straight face? Why do we the people tolerate this charade simply because illicit drugs are involved? Where is this all going to end? ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ This type of nod-and-wink "justice" is a classic case of REALLY BIG GOVERNMENT overreach, where the authorities seem to be thinking that they can somehow read the minds of those who possess drugs and make the giant leap that they KNOW that they were going to sell them. How smug the legislators must have been when they gave to government officials the superhuman abilities of telepathy, and then base intent to sell on nothing more than possession of a relatively small quantity of contraband? If someone has a gun collection of 30 rifles, does the law assume that they are going to sell them to people who cannot pass a background check? No. But someday soon they might! This illogical and extremely slippery slope is somehow tolerated by the people simply because it concerns demonized illegal drugs, but it is a Pandora's Box that could easily lead us to something like in the movie Minority Report. This movie is set in 2054, where "PreCrime", a specialized police department, apprehends criminals based on foreknowledge provided by three psychics called "precogs". The film's central theme is the question of free will versus determinism. In our present world, the Drug War has already taken that giant leap into determinism...it will not end there, the precogs told me.

  • Need4speed: ""Who gets to smoke? The unemployed? the destitute?" With the current drug testing system the answer is yes." ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ And retired police sergeants from the Frankfort Police Department.

  • Yeah, mom3, MD is my prefect foil and I wish that I had created him as my "feeding ground", but unfortunately, he is "real" and existed on here long before I did. Besides, I couldn't for the life of me make up some of the stuff that he comes up with...but I thank God for providing him every evening in my prayers.

  • Only strict constructionists have faith in the constitution at this point, it's a bias document like most other government documents, and it is carefully worded to serve the interests of a few and not the many. As far as the UN is concerned, the U.S. never has been a fan of the UN and, in reality, the U.S. does whatever it wants by simply ignoring any UN ruling. The government can make money in legalizing marijuana by instituting a huge tax, that is obvious, but it will still be illegal to buy and sell privately. It would be great to have the freedom of true choice, but we only have the illusion of choice in this system of government.

  • So there is somebody posting as Marketing Director. Curious is the timing this person suddenly starts posting as perfect 'feeding' ground for 1713's paranoia...

  • MD- I cked that and it's an addiction rate as reported BY Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). Mores to the point, Why in a free country do you want the Government and not YOU to decide what you can or cannot put in your body? I would think all these people, especially on the right, who claim to protect the Constitution should be up in arms at the way our drug laws are created and enforced. Note on pee testing-- The problem for pot smokers is that thc is detectable for up to 30 days and hard drugs are not. A coke head can pass a pee test no sweat. Same for a meth or heroin user. The workers around you might be illegal drug users but with the lack of effectiveness of this program you wont know and more likely it's a hard drug they are doing because it's easire to get passed a pee test! Nope, pee testing is another waste that does not accomplish it's proported goal. It only makes money for pee testing companies , costs the employers and the state millions and does nothing but give a false sense that something is being done.

  • "Who gets to smoke? The unemployed? the destitute?" With the current drug testing system the answer is yes.

  • Pssst...Marketing Director thinks that he is a responsible drug user too...although he doesn't consider HIS drug of choice (bourbon on the rocks) as even a drug...it is a legal substance! Like bourbon does not impair his ability to think clearly...ha! The fact is that Senator Rand Paul and Representative Ron Paul both agree 100% with the points made by thomas vance.

  • Only a degenerate dope smoker has the nerve to stand up and promote drug use......in public even. Being a "responsible drug user" is like being a "ethical pornographer"..."I only use the people who want to be in ****". You could maybe 'not produce ****'? The same goes for drugs, unless there is a medical need to use a substance then why use it? If it impairs your ability to function, why take it? "because it feels good...yeah man." Right,....... Why would you introduce additional substances to the general population that has the ability to drive others to use it? Alcohol is legal yes,...but should it be? It has no medicinal value, and the damage it causes is enormous....yet the legality of it does not prevent people from making moonshine, that in some cases can kill and maim those who use it. Smoking is legal.....but should it be? Tobacco again has no medicinal value,...and is known to cause cancer. What alcohol and tobacco are, are euphoric. No less so that smoking pot....so why should we unleash yet another damaging substance free on the people of Kentucky and America as a whole? The breaking point of the people in this country is already over the tipping edge.

    You have been defeated and refuted on this subject time and time again. Who gets to smoke? The unemployed? the destitute? Are we going to allow our Dr.'s, Judges, police, EMS, heavy equipment operators, electricians,....to come to work with pot still in their systems from the weekend, the night before,......or when they woke up that morning? Where does it end? Why stop with pot, why not Heroine, Hash, Cocaine?......they are all "herbs" too.

    Again the employers of these people who want to "get high" do not have to stand for it. If you want to work for me, you take a urinalysis and if you fail it, no job. If you are working for me and you fail it, I am firing you. If you are working for me, you have an accident, and you fail it,...I am firing you, and I am going to see that you are held responsible for loss of property, damages, injury and life to anyone you might have harmed.

    And you are a liar about the drug use rates in America,.....8.7% of the American population 12 years and older are addicted to some form of illicit drug, and in the last month more than 20 Million tried some form of illicit drug.

    Drugs are BAD,.....and the more of them we keep out of the hands of people, the better off we all are.

    Why don't you get behind a cause that actually does some good for people, instead of promoting one that promotes drug use, addiction, and irresponsibility?