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"We'er keeping our promise to fulfill another top priority at the VA cutting the red tape and inefficency that causes back logs and delays in the claims process"  hhmm well we see he still hasnt done that 5 years later.  And I thought he said he learned about the current scandal from TV the other day.  Seems to me he knew in 2009.  Then today he says while in the senate he heard first hand the veterans werent getting the kind of service and benefits they deserve.  This man is totally inept and he continues to lie.  So did you know he know in 2009 or did he learn about it from news reports the other day.

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  • "Spouting off about stuff you know nothing about is traditionally considered unwise. But as the Republican war on science intensifies, ignorance has started to become not only less of a handicap, but a point of pride. In the face of expertise and facts, being belligerently ignorant—and offended that anyone dare suggest ignorance is less desirable than knowledge—has become the go-to position for many conservative politicians and pundits. Sadly, it’s a strategy that’s working, making it harder every day for liberals to argue the value of evidence and reason over wishful thinking and unblinking prejudice.

    But for modern Republicans, being downright proud of their ignorance has become a badge of honor, a way to demonstrate loyalty to the right-wing cause while also sticking it to those liberal pinheads who think there’s some kind of value in knowing what they’re talking about before offering an opinion.

    This mentality, in its modern form, can be traced back to the Bush White House. In 2004, Ron Suskind of the New York Times interviewed an unnamed Bush official who famously pooh-poohed what he believed to be the shortcomings of journalists who insist that the truth matters more than fantasy:

    The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”

    The sense that you could stick it to the liberals by being utterly indifferent to reality actually grew worse on the right after Bush left office, starting with the adoption of Sarah Palin as a right-wing hero. Palin represents this new era of treating the truth like it’s a horrible force of oppression trying to squelch conservative America. Subsequently, any utterance from her mouth is far more likely to be a blatant and aggressive falsehood than anything resembling fact.

    The thing is, shameless lying and ignorance works surprisingly well as a debate tactic. It’s hard to argue with someone who not only has signaled that he doesn’t care what the truth is but is downright proud of how little he actually knows. Such a person is not amenable to being educated. Once the pretense of really caring one way or another about what is right and what is wrong has been abandoned, all avenue of discourse is shut down.

    Take Rep. Jeff Miller’s recent appearance on MSNBC. It was a performance that has become standard on the right when talking about climate change: Dismissively wave away the scientific consensus and spout ignorance in the most condescending tone possible, as if nothing could be sillier than those scientists with their interests in facts and research. Miller repeatedly dismissed decades of scientific research showing the reality of global warming as “foolish.” Then he went above and beyond the call of duty, really showing off how proud he was to know so very little. “Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point, that were causing global warming? No,” he said, full of contempt for people who aren’t nearly as stupid as he is.

    If Miller wasn’t such a major idiot, he would know that, in fact, the death of the dinosaurs was caused by an outside force that disrupted the Earth’s atmosphere; not cars, but a meteor that hit the planet with such impact it caused a massive cooling and then—wait for it—major global warming effect that wiped out 70% of the species on the planet. It’s one of the major reasons we know that outside forces, whether meteors or cars, that have major impact on the planet’s atmosphere can create temperature changes that permanently affect life on this planet.

    The problem here is that someone who is not only so catastrophically wrong but downright proud of being an ignoramus is not going to actually bother to listen to an explanation like that. That’s why the wall of ignorance is such a powerful rhetorical tool. When you have nothing but contempt for the facts, attempts to educate you will only make your pride in your own ignorance grow stronger. The more you try to educate the proudly ignorant, the dumber they get.

    At the end of the day, the problem is one of identity. The conservative identity is one of being opposed to everything liberal, to the point of despising anything even associated with liberalism. As liberalism has increasingly been aligned with the values of empiricism and reason, the incentives for conservatives to reject empiricism and reason multiply. To be a “conservative” increasingly means taking a contemptuous view of reality. And so the proudly ignorant grow more belligerent, day after day."

    Amanda Marcotte is a Brooklyn-based freelance writer and journalist. She's published two books and blogs regularly at Pandagon, RH Reality Check and Slate's Double X.

  • need4speed, June 5, 2014 8:44AM

    "it does not begin with a "D" but rather an "R"..."

    "Mmmmm Cheetos and koolaid"

    In your case Fox News bubble land...

  • it does not begin with a "D" but rather an "R"...

    Mmmmm Cheetos and koolaid

  • ukfan: "Until we get money and greed out of our political process nothing will change."

    And exactly who has been responsible for putting vast quantities of money INTO the political process?  Hint: It has to do with money being equated with free speech and it does not begin with a "D" but rather an "R".

    So, it is the grand old party of Independents, who can't make up their mind whether they want to vote for a Republican or not, is gonna save us?  Really?  I think not.

    Women are going to be our saving grace...we need to become a matriarchal society instead of this dignified old what man society.

     

  • "We need to stop fighting for the D's and R's and fight for the US's. When you think you got a person who feels and agrees with how the government should be ran, they all of a sudden turn coat and fall into formation with the others." 

    Then don't just talk about it, do it.  And I guess all of that FOX News bubble RNC propaganda that you espouse is fighting for US?  

  • Since I am a registered Independent I will agree with getting more of them in office. I also feel that women need to play a larger part in our Senate and Congress. Men have governed too much IMHO with their macho cowboy mentality for far too long.

    Until we get money and greed out of our political process nothing will change.

  • No actually you blamed both parties and I agree with you but we differed on the tax payer part is all. I guess you and I agree that our tax dollars should be used wisely, but were are we gooing to ever get wise people to do that?

    If we as Americans cannot set aside political differences and take control of this government body that is actually ours to control, we are in deeper caca than one could ever imagine being in.

    We need to stop fighting for the D's and R's and fight for the US's. When you think you got a person who feels and agrees with how the government should be ran, they all of a sudden turn coat and fall into formation with the others.

    I think it's about time to elect some Indenpendents and see if they cannot get us out of this mess them others got us into.

  • pitchfork...I don't believe I see where I called out republicans in my post. But I guess I hit a nerve.

  • pitch, you forgot to name Bengazzi...

  • As always if it doesn't pass muster with liberals they do what? Turn things outside in. No it isn't fair to burden tax payers with corporate bailouts, but what did the democratic controlled house do? Gave bailouts. And how did they pay for those bailouts? Tax payer money, 10.8 billion dollars in tax payer revenues aren't being returned from GM. Tax payers took a hosing on that little deal and not to mention others like 123 Batteries, and Solyndra. Yet it's ok when democrats do it right? 

    Democats knew that republicans would ask how the increase would get paid for and since the democrats didn't want to answer, and answer it honestly the bill was killed. SO Democrats now lay claim that republicans don't care about veterans. ugh fancy that. A political party that was for the wars then against the wars now are all of a sudden caring and worrying about a gubment agency that has been screwed up for a very long time. Wasn't one of those Senators that voted to cut increases to veterans a democrat? Wasn't it part of her budget deal too?

     How would you pay for an increase for veterans ukfan? What programs would you cut to gain revenues? EPA, federal employee bounses, do away with duplicate programs, cut military defense budget even more? Stop aid going to countries that hate America. Pull troops outta zones that safe guard our little nation. Maybe stop illegals from getting a tax credit and receiving aid like SNAP benefits. You know since they are illegal and all.

    Maybe you should write a letter expressing how disappointed you are in the democratic party and how they are not giving enough of tax payer money away. Or better yet. You take in a family of illegals, go without for your family in order for them illegals to have and see how long you'll be able to live without money to support your family and bills.

    Bet you'd toss them illegals out on their rear ends with in a month.

     

  • So it's okay to put the burden on taxpayers when the big corporations need a bail out or subsidies but not when our vets need care? Like Bernie Sanders says if you can't pay to take care if them when they get home from war we don't need to send them in the first place. A little late worrying about how we are going to pay for their care now isn't it? That should have been thought out before they rushed to war.

  • So it's okay to put the burden on taxpayers when the big corporations need a bail out or subsidies but not when our vets need care? Like Bernie Sanders says if you can't pay to take care if them when they get home from war we don't need to send them in the first place. A little late worrying about how we are going to pay for their care now isn't it? That should have been thought out before they rushed to war.

  • Harry Truman (D) Missouri also started a war that also generated it's share of injured vets.

    You can scream all you want about whose fault it is but that won't fix anything.   It is true however that Republicans have quashed 2 veteran bills just recently and offered up Veteran retirement as a card in the budget negotiations which they lost and then went around blaaming Democrats for the retirement cuts.

    If you cannot expain how to pay for something, as the Democrats prevail in doing, how in the name of all that's honest does a bill get passed. It's the atmosphere the Democrate create when introducing legislation that needs to be corrected. Tell how the intentions of an increase is going to get paid for. What are the Democrats willing to give in order to get? 

    Democrats have a long history of playing the heart strings and pointing fingers whlie along the way decide that it's tax payers that should shut up and pay more taxes so they can stand up and claim "see what we Democrats have done".

    Making a stand against out of control legislators like Harry Reid needs to be done and Democrats seem to always find victims to use as their backdrops when they don't get their way.

    Sure you're gonna find victims that march to your drum, but when are the Democrats going to show the burdens of the tax payer who always seems to be missing in action whenever good ol'Harry and the boys want to make a major case out of  the Republicans voting down a bill that the Democrats cannot explain how it's going to get paid for.

    Simple question.. How do the Democrats intend on paying for the increase instead of using veterans as a pry bar to get what they want? Educated people already know Democrats take the easy way around issues instead of meeting them haed on and finding common ground that benefits everyone. It's very easy to sit and say "raise taxes" and think that's what is needed to correct a problem and that's the road Democrats take every time.

    Wonder if Ol' Harry and the messiah still think that Veterans are still terrorists now?

  • ...Bush the man and the President started both wars that are the major generators of disabled vets...

    And LBJ (D-Texas) started the war that also was a major generator of disabled vets. And there are still casualties of that war occuring. So blaming whatever and whoever is no solution.  Still waiting on Obama's phone and pen to weigh in on this one...

    In this case an inability to meet an unattainable standard resulted in workers cooking the books to meet that unattainable standard

    And falsifying reports to cover your hiney at the expense of veterans that need care is reprehensible. Heads should roll on this one.

  • pitch: "Wars are not the only reason there are veterans Fry. "

    Ah, the lack of the nuance gene strikes again.  Do you ever really think things through past the immediately obvious?  No, wars are not the only reason that there are verterans, but they are the primary generator of disabled veterans in need of medical care...which is what we are talking about here...sheesh!  

    As someone who has marched with a back pack up and down the square, you should know what creates disabled vets...but it seems lost on you.  The reason that it is necessary to scream about this Republikan obstructionism to solve this is so that folks can see what they are doing and vote the basids OUT!

    The VA is like the military...pure socialism and not at all comparable to the ACA...nuance challenged thought.  The problem with the VA is that Congress controls all of their budget, so Shensinki got all of the blame but was never in control of the agency.  The Repukes made sure that the agancy was hamstrung from day one just to try to make Obama look bad. And that is reprehensible. 

  • You cant handle a 50% increase in Primary Care appointments with a 9% increase in Doctors to handle those appointments.  Somethings got to give.   In this case an inability to meet an unattainable standard resulted in workers cooking the books to meet that unattainable standard.

    However this is an ongoing problem as the number of Veterans grew with two wars without an equal amount of growth for the VA.

    You can scream all you want about whose fault it is but that won't fix anything.   It is true however that Republicans have quashed 2 veteran bills just recently and offered up Veteran retirement as a card in the budget negotiations which they lost and then went around blaaming Democrats for the retirement cuts.

    We must remember Romney's 47% quote, that 47% of the people who are 'takers' would not vote for him.  Military retirement and benefits are in that 47%.   They wouldn't say that about an executive getting retirement.  Supposedly the executive earned it, our Veterans didn't!!!!

  • If we'd stop having wars, we'd have fewer veterans. Kinda simplistic, but the math checks out.

    Wars are not the only reason there are veterans Fry. Are you sayng a smaller military would be better? Yeah that's a good idea said no soldier ever...It's easy to sit and be an arm chair quarterback, speak of things that your only knowledge of is from the news or reading it in the paper.

    Until you've marched boots pack'n 70 lbs on your back for miles upon miles you'll not ever know what it feels like to be be let down by a system that is geared more towards providing civilian job security than good health care. 

     When a government paid doctor at the VA tells an injuried prior-service member that he/she doesn't believe in prescribing pain medication and recommends you take Advil for your severe pain it's time to replace those doctors, that are really only there to get a forgiveness on their student loans, Then it's off to private practice and golfing dates. Those that supported and bought into the ACA are soon going to find out what Vets have be going through for years.

    The VA should be staffed with with current or prior military personnel and doctors who know WTF they are doing not union protected a-holes who could car less. 

     

  • Seriously dewd, Bush the man and the President started both wars that are the major generators of disabled vets who need serious treatment in the VA system.  This country made a pact with those who fought in these wars Boosh started and it is the Republicans who are withholding vital funding for their treatment in their quest against all things Obama.  The Repukes have ruthlessly thrown this country, its economy, its unemployed, its poor, its healthcare, its kids food at school and its veterans under the bus just to try to deny the President and the First Lady anything that could be seen as progress...they just hate that dumb N-word in the White House that bad!

    There is no poison pill, that is just a cover for their real agenda.  It is just that simple. 

  • If we'd stop having wars, we'd have fewer veterans. Kinda simplistic, but the math checks out.

     

  • You can spin this one any way you want to Dan'l. You can blame Bush (the man has been gone 6 years..Seriously dude), you can blame the republicans (a house favorite over your way..no pun intended), you can even drop the R bomb if you wish.  It won't help and doesn't explain.  The truth of the matter is that a bunch of bereaucrats wanted to cover their hineys and did not report the fact that they were in trouble.  Had they made a big noise about it, something may have gotten done. If a problem is covered up then no one can work on a solution to said problem. As much as I disagree with most of President Obamas policies, he can't fix what he doesn't know about. Now that he knows, how about some swift action using that phone and pen of his.

    And the House Republikans keep scuttling bills designed to provide the necessary funding and the Senate Republikans keep filibustering bills.

    As you have admonished me in the past, where and what is the poison pill? No bill is ever a one item deal.

  • YOU are full of bull puckey Big A$$ Fan.  The problem isn't red tape and inefficiency at the VA...there is a severe doctor's shortage resulting in 13-hour workdays fueled by large patient loads that kept growing as colleagues quit and were not replaced.  This complaint is resonating across the 150-hospital Veterans Affairs medical system after the department’s inspector general released findings on Wednesday that the Phoenix medical center falsified data about long waiting times for veterans seeking doctor appointments.

    The VA patient population is swelled both by aging veterans from the Vietnam War and younger ones who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, you know, Boosh's wars.

    The department says it is trying to fill 400 vacancies to add to its roster of primary care doctors, which last year numbered 5,100.

    The doctors are good but they are overworked, and they feel inadequate in the face of the inordinate demands made on them.

    Most experts agree that soaring demand for veterans’ care has outpaced the availability of doctors in many locations, and that high turnover is a major problem. In the past three years, primary-care appointments have leapt 50 percent while the department’s staff of primary care doctors has grown by only 9 percent, according to department statistics.

    Those primary care doctors are supposed to be responsible for about 1,200 patients each, but many now treat upward of 2,000.

    And the House Republikans keep scuttling bills designed to provide the necessary funding and the Senate Republikans keep filibustering bills.  The Republikans who are outwardly the most outraged over treatment of veterans filibustered better health care for vets in February. Someday the Republicans and Fox News will be outraged enough about our treatment of veterans that they will agree to do something about it.  U.S. Senate Republicans blocked this legislation that would have expanded federal healthcare and education programs for veterans, saying the $24 billion bill would bust the budget.  Funny, but the Republikans are never worried about finding the money for wars or expensive weapons systems that the military doesn't want, much less need. 

    This ain't about the President...he would readily sign any legislation that would help these veterans. It is the Republikans.  They are white, can't you see that they are white?