Reprehensible And Deserving O Shame

Msgt Thomas Vance USAF Ret. Published:

Well our legislative leaders have weighed in on the release of our only Afghanistan Prisoner of War, Sgt Bowe Bergdahl.  Instead of the rejoicing and cheering we should be experiencing, we are watching a sad performance of a play we have seen too many times before.  As Democratic legislators celebrate his release, Republican legislators are busy vilifying Sgt. Bergdahl and making assumptions about the details of his capture, captivity and survival.  Some even going so far as to question the character and loyalty of the man’s parents!  The negative and hurtful nature of the attacks on this young man and his family go beyond the pale and have even resulted in the cancellation of the homecoming celebration planned by his community, friends and family.

In an article in the D Day, June6, 2014 edition of the Kentucky Enquirer titled, ‘What Your Lawmakers Think About the Prisoner Swap’, only Senator Sherrod Brown, (D) of Ohio celebrated and supported the actions of the President in securing the release of Sgt. Bergdahl.  The other 7 legislators representing our region, Republicans Portman, Chabot, Wenstrup and Boehner of Ohio and McConnell, Paul and Massie of Kentucky shamed themselves and our region by using the captivity and release of Sgt Bergdahl to score political points and berate the President over what is clearly within his power as Commander in Chief to do, arrange for the return of our Prisoners of War.  Congress has known for two years of the details of this deal and the 5 guys traded for Sgt Bergdahl would have to be released at the end of this year anyway.  With all this in mind, the statements of the region’s Republican legislators and Republican legislators nation wide, are even more reprehensible!

It’s obvious to me and should be obvious to any parent that is paying attention that these legislators would have left your son or daughter to rot in captivity if it was not politically expedient for them to trade for their release.

Let’s hear it for the President.  He knew that he would take heat for the deal but for him, America’s sons and daughters are more important than scoring political points.  He said, “This is how you end wars.  You treat with the enemy and get your people back!”   Playing one- upmanship with the lives of our sons and daughters is reprehensible, deserving of shame and should engender the condemnation of all  the citizens of our region and that of the entire nation.

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  • Look this started by you ragging on me about cooks. To be perfectly honest I have respect for the 94B's-I still think that's still the MOS qualification-I weighed 129 pounds soaking wet when I enlisted, after 13 weeks and eating right I went to 162 with "zero" body fat. Cooks always get picked on regardless of whose father was behind the spatula. Look at poor old Howard Cunningham, he was made fun of all the time for being a cook...

    BTW my mother has no dog in this fight she has not been able to defend me or herself since 2008. If you catch the drift.

  • I can always tell when you have no sane response to a post. You always resort to nastiness and name calling just like a little child.Your mother must be so proud.

  • Pitiful.

    I understand how you must be feeling, I can over look it this one time.. Let's not let it happen again okay sweetie.

    Now take your Lithium dosage correctly so you don't have these feelings of pitty and longer. I know it makes you feel weird, but you have to get it back into your system so you can function as close to "normal" as you can.

  • Pitiful.

  •  How dare you belittle anyone who serves this country regardless of their rank or position in the service.

    Oh grow the he!! up will ya sweetie.. Cooks in any branch of the service get ragged on all the time. If you ever served and ate in the chow hall you'd pick on them too. BTW two of my uncles were cooks on aircraft carriers during WWII and one in the Army. So I can say any dang thing I want too about spoon goons...

     

  • My Dad was a cook in the service during the Korean Conflict and he was as good a soldier as you or any other soldier. How dare you belittle anyone who serves this country regardless of their rank or position in the service.

    You talk about loyalty and honor and in the same breath belittle fellow servicemen.

    You have no room to talk about anyone.

  • robert1,

    Please accept my apology for my condescending tone in that post. I get very passionate about this subject and Bergdhal's responsibilities he willfully neglected in his personal choice/actions.

  • The fact that a soldier does not live up to the standards of his profession is no reason to write him off as a non-person, left to the tender mercies of one's enemies.

    This coming from individual that appears to either been kicked out of basic or has not ever worn the uniform and stood guard while your brethren tried to sleep as peaceful as possible trusting another for their safety. You can get court-martialed for falling asleep on Fire Guard let alone just walking off like nothing is wrong. It's hard for one dimemsional minds to grasp the concept of loyalty, duty, and honor especially when they do not understand how to achieve those on their own. 

    No one questions the return. The questions come from why he did what he did. That is a good enough reason to question his "standards of professionalism" as a soldier.

    There were guys like you while I was enlisted.. We called them Cooks......And that job was even to difficult for them to pull off.

  • Oh that's the main basis for their little club, but they throw a bone to "whitee" ever so often so they appear unbaised. The club I believe you are looking for is a Democratic organization that started out around 1872. You know it as the KKK, but honest freedom loving Amerians know them as a$$holes, or Democrats take your pick of definitions.

    They hate anything that enables the better of of human kind including the respect races give to one another in order to to advance that ideology of "freedom" and will stop at nothing to ensure races attack one another even it if means putting one of their own in charge of a country like the USA.

    I know what you are thinking. It's hard to imagine that in this day and time of talking movies we still have to deal with the black top hat, handlebar mustache wearing villian of the silent movie era, but we do, and we are.

    I just hope we all can get free of the ropes of bondage that has tied us to the tracks of Liberalism that is actually Socialism in disguise.

  • One should credit Barrack with being realistic in foreign policy and not following the messianic Republican, "we don't negotiate with terrorists," rubbish. The latter is a juvenile attitude, and practically disqualifies a person from leadership.  True, one understands Congressional angst at the letter of the law not being followed on this one.  Nonetheless--given The War Powers Act, and the goofy War on Terror authorization, and the near infinite number of war-making incidents prosecuted by the Executive without a declaration of war (remember that little part of the Constitution?)--to bleat too loudly here smacks of the prostitute's complaint of being ravished.

    And Principle ("we don't negotiate...")--like charity--should begin at home.  The fact that a soldier does not live up to the standards of his profession is no reason to write him off as a non-person, left to the tender mercies of one's enemies.

  • So pitch if that is correct then that club that is called National Association for the Advancement of Colored People must just help colored people. Is there a club that help just white people advance????? Seems a little racist to me.

     

  •  I am curious though to one of your opinions are white people considered colored?

    No mach570 we're not.. We are the base for all colors just like at the paint store lmao.

  • Bruno you just proved to everyone on hear that anything you say is based on bigotry and against white people. You are a racist and a prime example why this country cannot move forward. You win Ill keep my po little oh comments to myself when it comes to your racist an bigotry remarks. I am curious though to one of your opinions are white people considered colored?

  • Yeah, Barrack Obama killed Bin laden and he had ice water in his veins when he did it.

    And wearing his "mom jeans" and little fuzzy house slippers too..ROTFLMAO What a sissy!!!!

  • "Spouting off about stuff you know nothing about is traditionally considered unwise. But as the Republican war on science intensifies, ignorance has started to become not only less of a handicap, but a point of pride. In the face of expertise and facts, being belligerently ignorant—and offended that anyone dare suggest ignorance is less desirable than knowledge—has become the go-to position for many conservative politicians and pundits. Sadly, it’s a strategy that’s working, making it harder every day for liberals to argue the value of evidence and reason over wishful thinking and unblinking prejudice.

    But for modern Republicans, being downright proud of their ignorance has become a badge of honor, a way to demonstrate loyalty to the right-wing cause while also sticking it to those liberal pinheads who think there’s some kind of value in knowing what they’re talking about before offering an opinion.

    This mentality, in its modern form, can be traced back to the Bush White House. In 2004, Ron Suskind of the New York Times interviewed an unnamed Bush official who famously pooh-poohed what he believed to be the shortcomings of journalists who insist that the truth matters more than fantasy:

    The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”

    The sense that you could stick it to the liberals by being utterly indifferent to reality actually grew worse on the right after Bush left office, starting with the adoption of Sarah Palin as a right-wing hero. Palin represents this new era of treating the truth like it’s a horrible force of oppression trying to squelch conservative America. Subsequently, any utterance from her mouth is far more likely to be a blatant and aggressive falsehood than anything resembling fact.

    The thing is, shameless lying and ignorance works surprisingly well as a debate tactic. It’s hard to argue with someone who not only has signaled that he doesn’t care what the truth is but is downright proud of how little he actually knows. Such a person is not amenable to being educated. Once the pretense of really caring one way or another about what is right and what is wrong has been abandoned, all avenue of discourse is shut down.

    Take Rep. Jeff Miller’s recent appearance on MSNBC. It was a performance that has become standard on the right when talking about climate change: Dismissively wave away the scientific consensus and spout ignorance in the most condescending tone possible, as if nothing could be sillier than those scientists with their interests in facts and research. Miller repeatedly dismissed decades of scientific research showing the reality of global warming as “foolish.” Then he went above and beyond the call of duty, really showing off how proud he was to know so very little. “Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point, that were causing global warming? No,” he said, full of contempt for people who aren’t nearly as stupid as he is.

    If Miller wasn’t such a major idiot, he would know that, in fact, the death of the dinosaurs was caused by an outside force that disrupted the Earth’s atmosphere; not cars, but a meteor that hit the planet with such impact it caused a massive cooling and then—wait for it—major global warming effect that wiped out 70% of the species on the planet. It’s one of the major reasons we know that outside forces, whether meteors or cars, that have major impact on the planet’s atmosphere can create temperature changes that permanently affect life on this planet.

    The problem here is that someone who is not only so catastrophically wrong but downright proud of being an ignoramus is not going to actually bother to listen to an explanation like that. That’s why the wall of ignorance is such a powerful rhetorical tool. When you have nothing but contempt for the facts, attempts to educate you will only make your pride in your own ignorance grow stronger. The more you try to educate the proudly ignorant, the dumber they get.

    At the end of the day, the problem is one of identity. The conservative identity is one of being opposed to everything liberal, to the point of despising anything even associated with liberalism. As liberalism has increasingly been aligned with the values of empiricism and reason, the incentives for conservatives to reject empiricism and reason multiply. To be a “conservative” increasingly means taking a contemptuous view of reality. And so the proudly ignorant grow more belligerent, day after day."

    Amanda Marcotte is a Brooklyn-based freelance writer and journalist. She's published two books and blogs regularly at Pandagon, RH Reality Check and Slate's Double X.

  • beegee, your argument is ludicrous and intellectually dishonest.  Presidents never actually carry out these missions personally, and you know it.  For one, they are not trained or qualified to do it.  As far as "talking down" to the likes of pitchforkedtongue, one has to get down and dirty to get on his level...and I do enjoy it.  If you think that refuting his right wing propaganda is uncalled for, then you must be on his uniformly low and nasty level too.  Now that is sad... 

    "President Obama lead the tense deliberations leading up to the decision to raid the Abbottabad compound on May 1, 2011.

    During the 2008 campaign, when Barack Obama bluntly vowed “we will kill bin Laden,” he did not know that one of the most consequential moments of his presidency would be deciding whether to make good on that vow. In fact, his fierce campaign pledge to resort to unilateral action to get Osama bin Laden, should he be hiding in Pakistan, was slammed by both Hillary Clinton and John McCain as reckless talk. But Obama took the promise seriously.

    Five months into his presidency, he sent a memo to Leon Panetta, then the new CIA chief, signaling that he considered finding bin Laden a high-priority task. He requested a detailed operation plan for locating and “bringing to justice” the mass-murderer. Yet for a year, Panetta did not have much to report to Obama on this front. Then in the summer of 2010, the agency informed Obama there was a lead: bin Laden might be in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, about 35 miles north of Islamabad. He could be within Obama’s reach.

    For months, however, there was not much for the president to do, as the spies gathered more intelligence. In mid-February 2011, Obama and the small number of White House aides tracking the CIA’s effort concluded that the intelligence was strong enough to start thinking about a mission to nab or kill bin Laden. Panetta brought Vice Admiral William McRaven, the commander of the military’s Joint Special Operations Command, into the picture and asked him to start cooking up options for an assault. Now the bin Laden mission had become a matter of presidential decision-making.

    In mid-March 2011, Obama convened a series of National Security Council meetings on a possible bin Laden operation. At the first, on March 14, Panetta presented Obama with the three basic course of action—COAs, in the parlance of military planners—that McRaven and a small team had devised: a massive bombing strike in which B-2 stealth bombers would drop dozens of 2,000-pound GPS-guided bombs and obliterate the compound; a helicopter raid mounted by U.S. commandos; or a joint assault with Pakistani forces, who would be informed of the operation only shortly before its launch. According to a participant, the president had “a visceral reaction” against the bombing strike because collateral damage would likely extend beyond the compound into the surrounding neighborhood. The CIA had already determined that the compound contained a number of women and children.

    Another drawback of such an attack was that it would leave behind only rubble—and the remains of 20 or so people mixed in with the concrete and steel. In all that wreckage, could they find a piece of bin Laden—hair or flesh—for DNA analysis?

    “The question was, would you accrue the strategic benefits of getting bin Laden if you couldn’t prove it?” Ben Rhodes, a national security aide, recalled.

    “And what could be worse,” Nicholas Rasmussen, the White House senior director for counterterrorism, later noted, “than OBL survives and comes out and says, ‘The United States failed to kill me’?”

    Obama all but scratched this option off the list. He did ask the military to consider a surgical strike targeting the specific person living within the compound whom intelligence analysts suspected was the al Qaeda leader. The analysts had dubbed him “the pacer,” for he would stride around the compound as if for exercise."

    Yeah, Barrack Obama killed Bin laden and he had ice water in his veins when he did it.

  • aw beegee428 don't feed the trolls, it's better if you ignore them and they go back under their bridges waiting for billy goats.

  • BrunoUno - Obama didn't kill anyone.  Seal Team Six killed Osama.

    We did NOT attack Afghanistan.  We went into Afghanistan with their permission to hunt for bin Laden.

    AND where you went too far is with Yep, I'll bet that you have your Second Amendment remedies locked and loaded.  When and where is this fight gonna take place?  You gonna start killing cops eating lunch?  Jerad Miller your hero?

    You constantly talk down to people and make hateful, completely uncalled for comments.  You can be a really nasty little specimen of humanity, and the sad thing is, I think you enjoy it.

  • PS: Obama killed Osama.

    Boosh said "I don't know where [Osama bin Laden] is [and] I am truly not that concerned about him."

  • mach570, June 13, 2014 11:49AM

    "Bruno you have went to far. If you think that our military is not protecting us you are one low life bigot. Also if you dont think there are people over in Afghanistan that can harm us tell that to the 3000 people that were in the trade towers.You are not worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 

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    Ah contraire, great white father...it is thine who has gone TOO FAR.  I guess in your simplistic world where the moon is round and a wheel of cheese is round, so therefore, the moon must be made of cheese, I just may have gone too far by challenging your comfortable fact free zone.  However, just for the record, I never said that our military is "not protecting us"...you said that I did. And you don't read so good.  

    I never said that there were not people "over there in Afghanistan that can harm us", but rather that it is much, much easier for those people to kill Americans IN Afghanistan than Americans here.  There is this thing called the Atlantic Ocean and lots of rocks and sand between us and Afghanistan that keeps these people from harming Americans on their home soil. They are peasants with white Toyota pick'em-up trucks and old AK47's that they took off of some dead Rusky a few decades ago, fercrissakes.  The people who knocked down the World TradeCenter towers weren't peasants from Afghanistan, as it turned out, 17 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia! 

    They were living in America in plain sight and doing all kinds of activities that should have raised the red flag if the Boosh Administration had been awake (which they weren't)...

    On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

    Although that really isn't the point.  The real point here is that there was no need to attack Afghanistan and conduct the longest war in US history on a country that was simply visited for a short time by Saudis who learned to climb on the monkey bars in some godforsaken camp up in the rocks.  And there sure as H-E-double hockeysticks was no reason to invade Iraq...none what-so-ever.

    I will now return you to your regularly scheduled comfortable FOX fact free zone...cuz you are soooo worth it (whatever "it" is)!

  • Bruno you have went to far. If you think that our military is not protecting us you are one low life bigot. Also if you dont think there are people over in Afghanistan that can harm us tell that to the 3000 people that were in the trade towers.You are not worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • pitchforkedtongue: "Also don't forget that those whom you deem "simple" are those very individuals that guard your sorry a$$ and protect you from harm in any fashion."

    And what big threats does out military presence in Afghanistan guard us against...these insurgents don't have airplanes or boats..they are peasants.

     

    pitch: "Bergdhal is just like you. Cowardly, disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish, and most importantly self centered."

    You have no idea what Bergdahl is other than the hearsay coming from under your FOX bubble fact free zone.

     

    pitch: "I'll be over here with the rest of Ameirica perparing to fight for freedom from big daddy and his gubment stooges like you."

    Yep, I'll bet that you have your Second Amendment remedies locked and loaded.  When and where is this fight gonna take place?  You gonna start killing cops eating lunch?  Jerad Miller your hero?

     

     

  • I'd say pouncing on a simple typo is indicative of your immaturity, especially when it's "plan and simple" to you

    Of course you would say that.. As you look down your nose at a "plian and simple" individual that is beneath your standards.

    I'd say resorting to calling me names (mein fuhrer--seriously?) is indicative of your immaturity

    Why do you think it's always about you?

    I'd say you don't understand what you read if you interpreted "an open mind until all facts are in" as support.

    Here's some open mind FACTS for you.. He violated his First General Order. Of course I wouldn't expect a outstanding member of society like yourself to understand what it means to follow orders, that your word is your bond in the military and you're expected to adhere to those orders. After all it's "plain and simple" to see that you regard others that aren't up to your par as immature.

    Also don't forget that those whom you deem "simple" are those very individuals that guard your sorry a$$ and protect you from harm in any fashion. Bergdhal is just like you. Cowardly, disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish, and most importantly self centered..

    I was not asking you to forgo your freedom of speech; I was asking you to give common courtesy and respect to the President of the United States.  I guess I was asking too much of you

    Edivently you didn't actually read my reply to that: The office gets the respect as long as the individual who occupies the chair is respectful of the people and not one certain party, or personal beliefs. 

    Anyone that supports this person is of the same like mind and wants the same things as he does. So you go right ahead be like Barrack, I'll be over here with the rest of Ameirica perparing to fight for freedom from big daddy and his gubment stooges like you.

     You are either a total fanatic or you are deliberately being an agitator

    Holding an individual accountable for his/her actions is being a fanatic, or an agitator? I just bet dollars to doughnuts that when George Zimmerman or Casey Anthony where on trial you had them both guilty. And when they were found not guilty you blew a gasket and blamed the justice system and not the evidence.

    I am starting to get the grasp of how liberal minded people think more plainly each time I upset one of you. You claim not to be liberal, yet you retort and post like one. You must be a closet liberal..Or just so dang scared to admit your true feelings.

  • I'd say pouncing on a simple typo is indicative of your immaturity, especially when it's "plan and simple" to you.

    I'd say resorting to calling me names (mein fuhrer--seriously?) is indicative of your immaturity. 

    I'd say you don't understand what you read if you interpreted "an open mind until all facts are in" as support.

    I was not asking you to forgo your freedom of speech; I was asking you to give common courtesy and respect to the President of the United States.  I guess I was asking too much of you.

    I'd say I'm through with you.  You are either a total fanatic or you are deliberately being an agitator.  Either way, I'm not interested.  I have a life beyond this paper to live.

    Continue your ranting and raving.  I will simply ignore you.

     

     

  • Perhaps The Onion said it best, quoting a fictional man-on-the street professing his outrage at the deal.

    “It’s unconscionable that we’re releasing these Gitmo detainees now for a prisoner swap,” says ‘Stan McGinty.’ “Legally they should have been released years ago for nothing.”

  • The five men, who are now in Qatar and barred from traveling for a year, do not really live up to their monster billing, however.

    Khairullah Said Wali Khairkhwa, Abdul Haq Wasiq, Mullah Noorullah Noori, Mullah Mohammad Fazl and Mohammad Nabi Omari had been in Guantanamo Bay since the early days of the war.

    Kate Clark of the Afghanistan Analyst Network spent weeks researching the five men’s biographies in 2013, and came up with a much more nuanced picture.

    “It is mystifying to know where the Guantanamo Bay authorities got the idea that Khairkhwa was known, in their words, as a ‘hardliner in terms of Taliban philosophy.’ During the Emirate, he was considered one of the more moderate Taliban in leadership circles,” she writes.

    Noori and Fazl had negotiated surrender of Taliban fighters to General Abdul Rashid Dostum in November, 2001, based on what they believed was a promise of safe passage home. Instead, hundreds of Taliban fighters were massacred, and Fazl and Noori were arrested.

    Wasiq was taken in a sting operation — according to Clark, he was cooperating with the US at the time and was trying to arrange reintegration with the new government. Instead, he was arrested and sent to Guantanamo.

    The Guantanamo Docket, a project of The New York Times based on the WikiLeaks documents, also yields some interesting information.

    Omari, for example, was a minor Taliban figure who said he was selling used cars when the war started. He also claimed that he was given $500 and a cell phone by a CIA officer named Mark and told to go find Mullah Omar. When he failed to deliver, he was arrested.

    Not a very impressive background for what the media are calling the “worst of the worst.”

  • BTW aga.. King George supporters said the same things to the opposers of King George about giving him his respect whether or not anyone liked him because of the position of king. That didn't work out so well for Old George or the supporters here did it? 

    That's why we have Freedom of Speech as our First Amendment right. Now what you got to say to that mein fuhrer?

  • Your hatred for President Obama (give him his rightful title, as a sign of respect, for the office if not the man) seems to color everything you write with a slimy and malodorous miasma which is quite disgusting.

    I'm not put here on this earth for your approval or disapproval. I don't care what you think of me or what I say.

    He's not my president, he's not the president he claimed he would be. The office gets the respect as long as the individual who occupies the chair is respectful of the people and not one certain party, or personal beliefs. He's walking a thin line of  lawless actions bording on treason and I hope soon he trips over his big clown feet and falls face first into being charged with either. Hopfully with treason by endangering the lives of Americans.

    You can support him till your face turns democrat blue. Bergdhal is a deserter plan and simple and that's what none of you nay sayers can handle as being truthful. And that aga is not sophistry....

     I am neither a Democrate nor a liberal.  And I most certainly am not a Republican!

    WTF is a Democrate? I hope you mean Democrat? I swear by the use of them big college words one would think you could at least speil Democrat right.

    BTW do you sleep with a Dictionary or a Thesaurus, or do you swing both ways?

     

  • You haven't heard it all until you've heard disgraced Iran-Contra official Oliver North blast the Bergdahl deal.  It is terribly hypocritical for strong supporters of the military to criticize the administration for bringing home America’s only prisoner of war. Sure they might get criticized for sending back some Taliban prisoners, that goes without saying. And yes, the issues surrounding Guantánamo are always controversial. Needless to say the Congress was going to squeal when it found out the administration has brushed off its obligation to inform them of any Gitmo transfers 30 days in advance, and with some justification. But, by God, one thing for which the right could never be criticized was the fact that they lived up to the credo that says no American soldier will be left behind on the battlefield.

    Wrong. The propensity of right-wingers to be blatantly inconsistent with their most cherished principles is truly astonishing and should never be taken for granted. The White House did err in assuming that the chauvinist Republicans (and the many timorous Democrats who fear them) would not criticize this release simply because a soldier was involved. (All you had to do was look back at Rush Limbaugh’s willingness to slander any soldier, officer or enlisted, who dared to criticize the war effort just a few years ago to see how foolish that assumption was.)

    But there are hypocrites and there are hypocrites. And not even the sainted POW John McCain’s stunning flip-flop on the Bergdahl can come close Lt. Col Oliver North (Ret.) guy for sheer, audacious hypocrisy. Let’s first revisit his comments from 2011 on his Facebook page on the matter of Bergdahl specifically before we go any further:

    Today, I received from the National League of POW/MIA families, a “Never Forget Bracelet” emblazoned with the name of Sgt Bowe Bergdahl.  He was seized on June 30, 2009 in Afghanistan and is being held by the Haqqani Organization — a Taliban affiliated terrorist group — in northwest Pakistan. Sgt Bergdahl and his loved ones here at home deserve our prayers and encouragement until he is rescued or released. That’s what we do. We’re Americans.

    “That’s what we do. We’re Americans.” That sounds like an unequivocal position — which shouldn’t surprise us coming from a man who felt so strongly about this that he personally directed an illegal plot to sell weapons to one of our most hated enemies in exchange for the release of American hostages.

    If there’s one person you would expect to defend this POW exchange it would be Oliver North. He was a critical player in the most infamous hostage deal in American history. But if you thought that, you’d be wrong. And his reasoning is almost beyond comprehension considering his history.

    He starts by making the dubious claim that Bergdahl is not a POW, but rather a hostage (something he knows something about). And then he complains that the government “must” have secretly paid a ransom, which he finds outrageous.

    that would be very wrong. Unless it’s done by a Sainted Republican president. (And hey, if some enterprising young colonel can kick some of the profits to some “freedom fighters” somewhere, all the better, right?)

    North is far from the only right-wing hypocrite fulminating about POWs and hostages today after earlier beating the administration over the head for failing to secure Bergdahl’s release. But he takes it to a new level. After all, he was only spared from jail time by the fact that a judge ruled that the congressional inquiry that immunized him for his testimony made it impossible to charge him with a crime. It takes some real chutzpah for him to even use the word “ransom” in public.

    So, it’s fair to grant the administration critics this one point. When you see the inconsistency and rank hypocrisy of which Republicans are capable, it’s hard to see why a Democratic administration would assume that Republicans would reflexively support  ”the military’s time-honored ethos to leave behind none of its own on the battlefield.” They have shown over and over again that nothing is so sacred that they can’t toss it aside for cheap political advantage.

  • Pitchforkedtongue: "This is not having the ability of reading minds ukfan this is based on actual witnesses, and the Petagon's definition of why he he left his post.Which is FACT. This is where you lose something in translation and instead of understanding how serious the offense of his actions were/are you somehow turn it around and try to justify it."
     

    Witness testimony is NOT the same as FACT...which is determined by the courts.  People have a way of letting their biases come out when giving witness testimony, which must be weighed carefully to sort out the truth from the fiction.Everybody knows that, but some ignore it on their way to make political hay against that N-word in the White House, huh pitch?  Nobody has established as fact why or if he left his post.  It does not matter whether he broke certain rules or even went AWOL, we still needed to bring him home.  All of these allegations that you speak of can be sorted out once he gets here and is determined fit to stand trial, or even if a trail is necessary.

    AWOL is not a disqualifying act in itself to determine worthyness of rescue from the ememy.  Shucks son, Dubya went AWOL from the Alabama National Guard during 1972-73 for over a year during WAR TIME and you guys made him President...twice!

    "

    In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test — on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list — a year and a half long, by some estimates — and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.

    By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but after a while his enthusiasm seems to have cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months.

    In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test — the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

    After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globeinitially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a later piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge — eight months before his service was scheduled to end."

    Maybe Bowe had really good reasons to walk away from his unit.  It sounds like the soldier either had a case of PTSD or PTAD (Pat Tillman's Awareness Disorder).  And what normal person who had been thrust into that hellhole wouldn't?  Harken back to another soldier who was gung ho when he entered this war but after bouncing the rubble and children in Afghanistan for a while became totally against the US being there...that being Ranger Pat Tillman.

    Pat Tillman was well-known to American sports fans: a chisel-jawed and talented young professional football star, he was on the brink of signing a million dollar contract when, in 2001, al-Qaeda launched terrorist attacks against his country. Driven by deeply felt moral patriotism, he walked away from fame and money to enlist in the United States Special Operations Forces. A year later he was killed - apparently in the line of fire - on a desolate hillside near the Pakistan border in Afghanistan. News of Tillman's death shocked America. But even as the public mourned his loss, the US Army aggressively maneuvered to conceal the truth: that it was a ranger in Tillman's own platoon who had fired the fatal shots. In Where Men Win Glory, Jon Krakauer reveals how an entire country was deliberately deceived by those at the very highest levels of the US army and government. 

    Despite his fame, Tillman did not want to be used for propaganda purposes. He spoke to friends about his opposition to President Bush and the Iraq war, and he had made an appointment with notable government critic Noam Chomsky for after his return from the military. The destruction of evidence linked to Tillman's death, including his personal journal, led his mother to speculate that he was murdered. General Wesley Clark agreed that it was "very possible".

    After reports of Tillman's anti-war views became public, Ted Rall, who had previously written a comic calling Tillman a "fool" and "idiot," said that he was wrong to have assumed Tillman to be a "right wing poster child" when Tillman regarded the invasion of Iraq as illegal.  And there is strong evidence that indicates that his own Rangers killed him.  If your own men will kill you for speaking truth to power, they surely will tell lies about you to try to discredit you.

  • Pitchforkedtongue: "This is not having the ability of reading minds ukfan this is based on actual witnesses, and the Petagon's definition of why he he left his post.Which is FACT. This is where you lose something in translation and instead of understanding how serious the offense of his actions were/are you somehow turn it around and try to justify it."
     

    Witness testimony is NOT the same as FACT...which is determined by the courts.  Everybody knows that, but some ignore it on their way to make political hay against that N-word in the White House, huh pitch?  Nobody has established as fact why or if he left his post.  It does not matter whether he broke certain rules or even went AWOL, we still needed to bring him home.  All of these allegations that you speak of can be sorted out once he gets here and is determined fit to stand trial, or even if a trail is necessary.

    AWOL is not a disqualifying act in itself to determine worthyness of rescue from the ememy.  Shucks son, Dubya went AWOL from the Alabama National Guard during 1972-73 for over a year during WAR TIME and you guys made him President...twice!

    "

    In January 1968, with the Vietnam war in full swing, Bush was due to graduate from Yale. Knowing he'd soon be eligible for the draft, he took an air force officers' test hoping to secure a billet with the Texas Air National Guard, which would allow him to do his military service at home. Bush didn't do particularly well on the test — on the pilot aptitude section, he scored in the 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. But Bush's father, George H.W., was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list — a year and a half long, by some estimates — and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.

    By all accounts Bush was an excellent pilot, but after a while his enthusiasm seems to have cooled. In 1972, four years into his six-year guard commitment, he was asked to work for the campaign of Bush family friend Winton Blount, who was running for the U.S. Senate in Alabama. In May Bush requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit with no planes and minimal duties. Bush's immediate superiors approved the transfer, but higher-ups said no. The matter was delayed for months.

    In August Bush missed his annual flight physical and was grounded. (Some have speculated that he was worried about failing a drug test — the Pentagon had instituted random screening in April.) In September he was ordered to report to a different unit of the Alabama guard, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery. Bush says he did so, but his nominal superiors say they never saw the guy, there's no documentation he ever showed up, and not one of the six or seven hundred soldiers then in the unit has stepped forward to corroborate Bush's story.

    After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globeinitially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a later piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him. (No one's ever been shot at dawn for missing a weekend guard drill, but policy at the time was to put shirkers on active duty.) Indeed, when Bush decided to go to business school at Harvard in the fall of 1973, he requested and got an honorable discharge — eight months before his service was scheduled to end."

  • I, myself, have heard many conflicting stories, both favorable and unfavorable, about his actions.  I am following the sound advice of ukfan and keeping an open mind until all facts are in.

    pitchfork, you say:  He's not my president.

    Yes,he is.  If you are a citizen of the United States, then he is your president, whether or not you want him to be.  You can deny all you want, but "truth is indisputable".  And continually calling our president the "messiah" just shows your appalling hatred.  Stop with the immature and malicious sophistry.

    Your hatred for President Obama (give him his rightful title, as a sign of respect, for the office if not the man) seems to color everything you write with a slimy and malodorous miasma which is quite disgusting.

    btw, I am neither a Democrate nor a liberal.  And I most certainly am not a Republican!

     

  • Truth is indisputable.. Bergdhal walked away from his assigned post!

    You are just going on what you've heard not what has been proven as fact as of yet

    This is not having the ability of reading minds ukfan this is based on actual witnesses, and the Petagon's definition of why he he left his post.Which is FACT. This is where you lose something in translation and instead of understanding how serious the offense of his actions were/are you somehow turn it around and try to justify it.

    It's typical liberal spin.. you don't want to see the ugly side of what he done you just want the rainbows and soda pop celebrations. It cannot be like that. He voilated a standing order and by doing so place the lives of his unit in grave danger. Can you see that at all?  There were other opitions he could have taken if he didn't want to be part of the war, unit any longer. He is a coward for doing what he done.

    You have no idea what this young man went through or what his thoughts are.

    Regardless of what he went through he brought that upon himself by what? Walking away from a secured area that he was responsible in helping keep secure. It's like blaming the electrical outlet for your kid sticking a fork in it and getting shocked. The Taliban are the enemy, will always be the enemy, he bares the whole blunt of that all on his own. He decided to walk away into enemy terrority, he should not even be classified as a POW since his actions were all on his own and not that of the enemy taking him prisoner.

    Now it's a "woe is me" atmosphere being spun to keep the truth of his decision out of the equation. He deserted his post period. There are ramifacitions for dong that. That's what this is really all about. No one on your side wants to see him pay for his mistake and self appointed actions.

    Your hatred for our president is beyond the pale.

    First of all thought I made it clear..He's not my president. I'm disgusted by his actions and his attitude. He has failed as a president, a peace keeper, a legislator, and in his sworn duty to defend and adhere to the Constitution. He is playing "king" with everyone of our lives and you're fine with that, but I'm not. I haven't even gotten to the hate stage yet, but it's getting dam close. 

     

     

  • This story is just the latest in the line of hate-filled venom spewing from the Repubican machine...especially since their defeat Obamacare campaign has fallen flat on its face...with not a single dire prediction that they have made coming true.  NOT ONE!

    One of the cheif complainers and grudge match losers, Sen. John McCain who lost his Presidentail bid against Obama and chose Sarah Palin as his VP nominee, has spent much of the past week denying that he changed his positionabout exchanging Taliban prisoners for American soldier Bowe Bergdahl. So he probably wasn't happy on Friday morning, when the Washington Post's official fact-checker, Glenn Kessler, sided with the people who think McCain flip-flopped on Bergdahl.

    McCain told Jake Tapper on Thursday that, although he previously expressed his willingness to exchange prisoners for Bergdahl, he would never have done so if he'd known exactly which prisoners would be exchanged. Kessler, though, poked some big holes in that argument:

    We fully appreciate that the details of a prisoner exchange are important, and McCain certainly made that caveat clear. But since the deal was announced, he has suggested that the question of trading the Taliban Five for Bergdahl was a surprise—and that’s certainly not the case. These five men were always part of the prisoner swap, so that is not a detail that can be in dispute. Indeed, only a day after The Washington Post revealed a deal was in the works to trade the five men for Bergdahl, McCain appeared on television with what was billed as a “new position.”

    [...]

    McCain may have thought he left himself an out when he said his support was dependent on the details. But then he can’t object to the most important detail–the identity of the prisoners–that was known at the time he indicated his support. McCain earns an upside-down Pinocchio, constituting a flip-flop.

  • You are just going on what you've heard not what has been proven as fact as of yet. Give this man his due process. Why are you in such a hurry to brand this man? If he is found guilty so be it but this rush to judge does no one any good. Your hatred for our president is beyond the pale. This is not about the president. It's about a moral obligation we owe our servicemen. And when did you become a mind reader. You have no idea what this young man went through or what his thoughts are.

  •  You sir have proven the point I was trying to make. The vindictive nature of your post gives you away.

    Well if that's what fly's your plane, but to be a honest Veteran you sorely lack any conviction and take up the sword against fellow Veterans in your obvious support for the Democratic messiah his a$$holiness Obama.

    Truth is indisputable.. Bergdhal walked away from his assigned post. That action alone is desertion and you bloody well know it. The military regulations are crystal clear in that and either he faces a death penality, or life imprisonment.If it's not obvious to you or any other Obama supporter, the looks on his face tells he doesn't want to be traded, or even come back. He knows what he is facing, he knows what he has done, and the shame is more than he can bare What I'm hoping beyond anything is the messaih steps in and bullies the military into doing his bidding and not charge this traditor with any violation.

    Then sit back, watch as his "kingdom" crumbles down around him.

    BTW I'm not a Sir... I work for a living.. And you are an embarra$$ment to ALL Veterans posting ridiculous unconditional support to a tyrant or a wannabe "king". I feel your titled piece is more a confession of your convictions and what keeps you from sleeping well at night. Gotta be a beitch waking up realizing you are supporting an evil disrespectful individual that will stop at nothing in his quest to fundmentally change our ways in and of life here in the greatest nation on God's green earth.

  • You sir have proven the point I was trying to make.  The vindictive nature of your post gives you away.

  • After he decided to "walk away" from his assigned post, he no longer is deserving the recognition that he once had as a soldier. Of all the posters of this paper I would expect better understanding of the responsibilities this individual had while on guard duty MSgt. You are vastly becoming a disappointment with your blind allegiance to the messiah. I'm sure in your inner circle you are praised for your intelligence and wisdom and probably deserving of such, in that circle.

    Having that said and with all do respect  I'm happily and most eager to retort your "love letter" and words of diappointment you seem to have against the republicans negativity pretaining to a deserter that the only homecoming parade he is ENTITLED too is the one where he is taken daily from the stockade to his military trial for desertion under Article 113 of the UCMJ. To wit the voluntary and purposely abandonment and neglectful adherence to his sworn duty and violation of his First General Order, which I believe you are not privy to understanding as a prior member of the USAF. It's an Army thing.. you wouldn't understand...

    Let's start here shall we? June 29 2009, Bergdhal walks away from his assigned guard post hence the violation of his well memorized and citable upon request First General Order-I WILL GUARD EVERYTHING WITHIN THE LIMITS OF MY POST AND QUIT ME POST ONLY WHEN PROPERLY RELIEVED. 2010 the Petagon aggreed that Bergdhal voluntarily walked away from his outpost. You do remember what the Petagon is right?  Here's a real kicked in the teeth to his unit members..He automically gets promotions while being on vacation, yet other members of his unit have to EARN theirs by what? Being a good and responsible soldiers something Bergdhal is definately not by his own actions.

    Weeks after he was captured/found wondering aimlessly about is more like it, videos start appearing showing he is captured- a guest sounds better by an organization the United States has labeld a terrorists group allied with the Taliban- the Haqqani's. During his five year vacation, other videos of Bergdahl were sent and received showing he was still a "quest" of the Haqqani while their leader stated that Bergdhal enjoyed playing Soccer with his capturers-camping buddies, and reading English versions about Islam-translation. Learning his new found way of life. Guess he couldn't get the current copies of Stars and Stripes, or Playboy- just for the articles mind you. The last video which was taken apparently in December 2013 showed, or alledgelly showed Bergdhal in failing health. Now keep in mind that was six months ago a very important fact to remember. 

    Now according to what you wrote in your love letter in  the defense of the messiah, you stated that:Congress has known for two years of the details of this deal and the 5 guys traded for Sgt Bergdahl would have to be released at the end of this year anyway.  

     That is correct. Congress has known about the "deal" for 2 years and yet majority of Congress ON BOTH SIDES along with high ranking military leaders, and Intelligence department heads all disagreed with the conditions of the trade and even stopped it twice in those 2 years.Some thing you failed to point out in your love letter is at the end of military actions in Afghanistan at the end of the year all prisoners would be released from both sides. Also something you failed to point out is the history these 5 terrorists have, but I guess the stars in your eyes and the continious pounding in your heart for the messiah made you over look those little tidbits ugh? Well lucky for you I'm not in love..

     The five were the most senior Afghans still at the prison, all held since 2002. They are: Mohammad Fazl, whom Human Rights Watch says could be prosecuted for war crimes for presiding over the mass killing of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001 as the Taliban sought to consolidate their control over the country; Abdul Haq Wasiq, who served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and was in direct contact with supreme leader Mullah Omar as well as other senior Taliban figures, according to military documents; Mullah Norullah Nori, who was a senior Taliban commander in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif when the Taliban fought U.S. forces in late 2001. Khairullah Khairkhwa, who served in various Taliban positions including interior minister and as a military commander and had direct ties to Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, according to U.S. military documents, and Mohammed Nabi, who served as chief of security for the Taliban in Qalat, Afghanistan, according to the military documents.

    Fast foward six months, (remember I asked you to keep that in mind it was very important) and the real reason that was finally given to Congress in a "behind close door calsified session" was I guess an oversight by the messiah that it wasn't Bergdhal's failing health, (which I really do not understand how that conclusion was reached since no medical doctor ever examined Bergdahl) it was that the deal was to be kept secret and if it came out in public the Haqqani would kill Bergdhal. Oh the irony of it all.. Why the nerve of these terrorists threathing to kill someone.. have you ever heard such a thing in your life?

    Reality is this. the messiah took actions upon his self ,again, to circumvent laws, laws that he himself signed, to do as he pleases, when he pleases and however he pleases to gain political points, to boost democrats support for the up and coming mid-terms to make it clear that regardless of the outcome or negative impact his actions will have, he will do everything he can to ignore laws and advice to adhere to his own agenda of fundmental change in America.

    At least Nixon had the decency to resign over his detrimental actions. This moron in the White House now can't even spell decency.