Gay rights rally draws 200 to Kentucky Capitol

Supports say momentum is on their side

By Ryan Quinn, Published:

A familiar chant echoed throughout the Capitol Rotunda Wednesday above the mass of about 200 Kentucky gay rights supporters.

“What do we want?” several speakers repeatedly yelled.

“Fairness!” the crowd shouted back.

“When do we want it?” they inquired again.

“Now!”

Chris Hartman — director of the Louisville-based Fairness Campaign, part of the larger Fairness Coalition, which hosted the rally — said supporters have likely used that chant for more than two decades.

But after they saw their movement reinvigorated last year and momentum continue in 2014, that “now” appears closer than ever.

A federal judge ruled last week that Kentucky must recognize gay marriages performed in other states — notwithstanding the state’s 2004 constitutional ban on such unions.

 “We are looking forward to renewing our wedding vows in our state, the state we love,” Tammy Boyd told the crowd at the event. She’s part of the still-ongoing case with her wife, Kim Franklin, and another couple.

House Speaker Greg Stumbo signed on Monday as the 17th co-sponsor to House Bill 171, which would protect Kentuckians statewide from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in the areas of housing, employment and public accommodations.

That bill hasn’t received a committee hearing for the at least 15 years it’s been filed, but 17 co-sponsors is seven more than the legislation has ever had. Hartman said he’d be “extraordinarily surprised” if there were no hearing this year after such momentum.

“We are extremely optimistic that this is the year for the hearing,” he said.

The Senate version of the bill also has a record number of co-sponsors, according to a Fairness Coalition press release. Among them is Senate Minority Whip Jerry Rhoads, D-Madisonville.

But no Republicans have signed on, and Martin Cothran, spokesman for The Family Foundation of Kentucky, said his group would fight the bill if it moves forward. Cothran said he was the lead lobbyist in getting the 2004 marriage ban passed.

While awaiting passage of a statewide anti-discrimination bill, supporters have passed similar local ordinances in six cities — three of those in just the last year. Hartman said Louisville, Lexington and Covington passed such “Fairness Ordinances” more than a decade ago, but there was a lull until Vicco passed one in January 2013.

The story of a 300-person Appalachian town outlawing discrimination toward lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals caught national media attention and received a dedicated segment of “The Colbert Report,” a popular cable television show.

Vicco’s ordinance was followed by Frankfort’s in August and Morehead’s in December. Danville’s City Commission is set to hear a first reading of a Fairness Ordinance in March, said Jane Brantley, who attended Wednesday’s rally. She said she and a friend, the Rev. Eric Mount, first brought the issue before the commission.

“We’re very excited,” Brantley said. “… This is not a special rights issue, it’s a civil rights and human rights issue.”

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  • CallJuniorBR549, February 21, 2014 3:28PM

    "I've been reading the comments and watching the banter back and forth. First off, I've noticed what Pitch, Ihate, Bodeen have written about the topic. Here's something that I think is interesting.  Pitch was simply trying to make valid points on the matter but then suddenly, his words got twisted around. And before we get in to a "heated" discussion, I've read through this whole comment section I know what that looks like."

    Oh, you mean like these valid points on the matter that were written about this topic that started and finished this thread?

    ihate: "New TV show soap opera.....As The World Crumbles.....the sad thing is its more reality tv than soap opera and America is leading the ratings"

    pitch: "Homosexuality is sin, just like adultery, idol worship, greed, gluttony. taking of the Lord thy Gods name in vain. child abuse of any degree etc. "

    ihate: " I don't care if you call it a choice, call it genetic,  it's still unatural PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT.!  "

    pitch: "Acadumic here's a tissue you got a little brown substance on your nose from hanging on to Legions every word."

    pitch: "ukfan you keep insisting that you're an educated person. Then HTH do you keep misinterpreting what I post?"

    pitch: "Idk but I think that's bending the rules to favoritism for one group, small group that it is. SO hey why not get the wheels turning for pediphiles, beastyiality, and other sorts of chosen lifestyles. No since in just allowing LGBT to have all the fame and glory is it?" 

    pitch: "Legion they got pills for you special kind of stupid.  I suggest that you take your ObamaCare card, head out to Bluegrass Comp Care and get the help you need.

    You can't fix stupid but you can medicate the he!! out of it!"

     

    Now, which valid points were twisted around again when "Pitch was simply trying to make valid points on the matter but then suddenly, his words got twisted around."?

     

    Junior: "1) The last answer from Legion was a very long and in depth conversation about the Bible. You accused Pitch and the other's about how they was picking and choosing. Uh, exactly what are you doing? I see you took the time to pick out certain passages for your use to make your points. My question is this. What did the rest of the verse say? Or passage for that matter."

    But that is not what I am doing here...what I am saying is that if you guys are going to pick out certain passages in the Old, Old Bible and demand that they be obeyed simply to support your descrimination of gays, then you must obey them all!  You can't have it both ways.  Either the whole danged book must be strictly obeyed or none of it, as its moral authority is only as strong as its weakest links...which I have posted but 20 of the many below.

     

  • Academic: " John Boswell references medieval documents as evidence for same-sex ceremonies within the Christian faith during the middle ages.  Ah, those randy Christians.  Shocking!"

    And don't get me started on Catholic priests and their long love affair with little boys...much of which has been viewed with a blind eye by the parishioners.  

  • What "big words"?

  • rotflmao, @legion. You ever consider getting into comedy? I hear tell that there is a shortage of clowns maybe you should apply your comedy skills into something productive...

    I believe that user_571075 addressed your so call specifics and facts and even included whole definitions to your selected choice of passages. It isn't the responders problem you have a reading comprehension disorder among other disorders as well.

    Because you suffer with Gynecomastia doesn't mean you're a transgender. Get the necessary professional/psychological help as soon as possible. If you can't pay for your medication may be Astrazeneca can help.

  • user_571075,February 21, 2014 2:52PM

    "Legion: I want to thank you for posting your rants against the SJ staff, all other commentors that have a different opinion than you, the city police, the state police, the sheriff and the Bible in response any and all articles whether related or not. I am sure the Fairness Coalition is glad to have your support....NOT!!!! You lash out at other commentors that don't have the same opinion as you and you call them all sorts of vile names. You are the most perverted thinking individual of all the anonymous people on this site."

    You are welcome, but where did I ever do that to you?  I calls 'em like I sees 'em...these are not vile names but descriptive adjectives.  Plus, I only retaliate at those posters like you who have lashed out at me with vague generalities and ad hominem attacks, instead of addressing the specifics of what I said.  You are doing it again here. You started it!  I will finish it.

    I am very specific in my criticisms of all that you mentioned and I give detailed facts/reasons/opinions as to why I feel that way.  If you have a problem with any specific thing that I say, then by all means address it with specifics...but really, calling me the "most perverted thinking individual of all the anonymous people on this site" doesn't cut it.  Now if you gave specific reasons why you think that and back it up with specific facts, then it may mean something...but you don't.  In fact, I think that judging from the lack of any specifics in any of your posts that it may just be above your pay grade.

     

    "The Old Testament has a lot of do's and dont's and it sounds strange to us in the 21st century but all of that changed when Jesus was sent here to die for our sins. When asked what is the greatest commandment he neatly summarized all of these by saying to "love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as thyself"."

    Really?  I guess then that you are one of those who, since you cannot defend all of the bat-crap crazee stuff in the Old, Old book (and what sane person could), that you are contending that we ignore it and only use the New, OId book, or what Jesus said, right?  That is all well and good and you have plenty of the faithful company there, BUT, Jesus NEVER mentioned homosexuality even once, and judging from the fact that he hung out wid da HO's like Mary Magdalene (who "had seven devils" according to the Biblical text...WOW!  I would have loved to have been her 8th), he probably hung out wid da Homo's too.  According to the stories, Jesus was like dat...an avowed socialist who did not condemn homosexuality even though he certainly would have been surrounded by them...as the story goes.

    So now, where is your Biblical justification for you extreme positions against those who "don't have the same opinion as you" regarding sexual orientation again?  As it has been said so eloquently before, "God, it is like talking to a fifth grader." and "You can't fix stupid...".

    Pitchforked tongue's under the bubble narrow paradigm is so threatened by what I say that he wants the government to drug me and "medicate the he!! out of it!!"

    What a hoot!

     

  • Acadumic here's a tissue you got a little brown substance on your nose from hanging on to Legions every word.

    ukfan you keep insisting that you're an educated person. Then HTH do you keep misinterpreting what I post? If you are going to throw something up to someone make sure that you know WTH you are throwing. My gay family members do not FORCE their lifestyle onto the family see the difference. They also think that anyone that supports FAIRNESS for any group has issues with their own acceptance in life, which I agree with.

    Thank you again user_571075 for your input and understanding of how people like Legion pervert the scriptures for their own agenda and personal needs. I know I take short cuts with scripture meanings but this guy is way out of line. I do know that it says we are to expect people like Legion to do exactly that so I can over look his ignorance.

    Legion they got pills for you special kind of stupid.  I suggest that you take your ObamaCare card, head out to Bluegrass Comp Care and get the help you need.

    You can't fix stupid but you can medicate the he!! out of it!

     

  • God, it is like talking to a fifth grader.  They are gone because they were destroyed in battle by the much larger armed forces of Phillip II of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great.  When Phillip and Alexander realized they had destroyed the Sacred Band of Thebes, they were said to have wept openly and loudly.  They then erected a stunning monument of a Sacred Lion, under which the bodies of the 150 lovers were buried, and held feasts and Olympic-style games to honor the memory of this courageous band of male lovers.     

  • Where are the Sacred Band of Thebes now? GONE, because 2 males can't reproduce!!!

  • I should also have mentioned gay King James, since so many people around here use the King James version of the Bible.  Gay King James had three different male lovers: Esme Stuart d'Aubigny, Robert Carr, and George Villiers.  Think about that the next time you're reading your King James translation in church.  
     

  • Don't worry Legion.  I thought your post was funny as ****.  Pitchfork and Oxygen seem to think that gayness suddenly materialized in the last few years, and that the world is coming to an end as a result.  Perhaps a history lesson is in order.  Here are just a few gay male lovers from history:  Gilgamesh and Enkidu (one of the oldest known stories still in existence from ancient Mesopotamia);  Sacred Band of Thebes made up of 150 pairs of male lovers and one of the most elite fighting forces in all of ancient Greece; Achilles and Patroclus; Alexander the Great and Hephaestion; Pausanias and Agathon; David and Jonathan (yes, from the Bible); Nisus and Euryalus.  I could fill this entire site with more such names. 

    By the way, for those who think gay marriage is something new, it was commonly practiced in Ancient Mesopotamia, Greece, and Rome (Martial and Juvenal both make references to marriage between two men, which happened according to them rather frequently).  It was practiced as well in Ancient China and Japan.  John Boswell references medieval documents as evidence for same-sex ceremonies within the Christian faith during the middle ages.  Ah, those randy Christians.  Shocking!    

  • I've been reading the comments and watching the banter back and forth. First off, I've noticed what Pitch, Ihate, Bodeen have written about the topic. Here's something that I think is interesting.  Pitch was simply trying to make valid points on the matter but then suddenly, his words got twisted around. And before we get in to a "heated" discussion, I've read through this whole comment section I know what that looks like. I've too been the bad guy for trying to make points on certain subjects and my words were thrown back in my face. With that being said, here's some points I want to bring up.

    1) The last answer from Legion was a very long and in depth conversation about the Bible. You accused Pitch and the other's about how they was picking and choosing. Uh, exactly what are you doing? I see you took the time to pick out certain passages for your use to make your points. My question is this. What did the rest of the verse say? Or passage for that matter. As Paul Harvey would say: "Now for the rest of the story." Anyone can take out certain parts of a verse and use them as they seem deemed fit. This has been a classic move that I've been noticing on other public forums on the subject.

    2) How come when someone has a different opinion on the subject that they are suddenly deemed an "evil" person. You say we should be open minded, tolerant and more understanding. Uh, should you at least practice what you preach? Just because there is a difference of an opinion doesn't mean you are automatically right and they're wrong. If you want people to be more accepting then you need to be more open minded too. Fair is fair right?

    3) Honestly, I all about being fair and accepting of others. Whether it be, color, creed, race, or sexual preference. The problem I have is how come it seems like nowadays that certain groups get to have more rights than another. Again, don't start with they didn't have the same rights as the others. Federal and state laws have been around for quite some time now saying that you can't go around discriminating against others that are a different color, sexual preference, race, or creed. So this basically covers some of the big points that I've noticed.

    Now, here's my suggestion and I think this would make a lot people happy. How about we make things fair across the board so everyone can benifit from the situation. And I don't mean just this subject but other things as well. I know a lot of people are getting tired of how things are going up vs. how much money you make. And then when different things come along (like this topic for example) we get all bent out of shape and start going back and forth on who's right vs. who's wrong. I realize that you will never please everyone but at least we could try to get along and go after the ones that truly need to be confronted. And yes, I'm talking about the ones that makes the laws and controls the money. I know it's a tough fight but I know I for one am getting tired of having to pay for things and not getting anything in return. I could go on but I think you all get the point. This my 2 cents on the subject.

  • Legion: I want to thank you for posting your rants against the SJ staff, all other commentors that have a different opinion than you, the city police, the state police, the sheriff and the Bible in response any and all articles whether related or not. I am sure the Fairness Coalition is glad to have your support....NOT!!!! You lash out at other commentors that don't have the same opinion as you and you call them all sorts of vile names. You are the most perverted thinking individual of all the anonymous people on this site.

    Most people will see you for who you really are.....a anonymous nobody looking for attention and completely ignorant of the Bible of the Christian religion. You post all of these passages from the Bible as if that is what we are supposed to do today when most of these are lessons for what happened when God's people didn't do as he told them to do. Most if not all of these you have taken out of context or completely misinterpreted. Most of us will actually take the time to look up those passages and they will see what you have done. The one True God already has seen what you do and how you pervert his Word and knows what you will do in the future and I pray that one day you will come to know Him.

    -2 KINGS 6:29 is not a commandment for us to live by. It is part of a story of what happened between two Samrian women during a severe drought. The people as a whole did not do what God told them to do.

    -LEVITICUS 25:44 is not God's approval of slavery. He was leading his chosen people, the Israelites, out of captivity to the Promised Land. Some of people were to be exterminated because God knew what would happen. They were told to conquer the land and the inhabitants and if they had slaves they were to come from them rather than their own people. This not the same as what the founders of this country did with a race of people. That was shameful and I believe that came from man and not from God.

    -LEVITICUS 10:6 has nothing to do with the way we wear our clothes today. The Levites were one of the 12 tribes of Israel and all Levites were to be priests of God. Aaron's sons were all priests and they intentionally performed an improper sacrifice before God and contrary to His command and fire came out from the altar and consumed them. Normally when a relative dies they let themselves go, tear their clothes and have a period of mourning. Moses told Aaron and his sons not to do it because that would disrespect God who took them in the first place.

     -DEUTERONOMY 13:12-15 is not suggesting that we mass murder the people of the towns we visit when we find they worship another god. God was leading his chosen people to the Promised Land and they were to be killed because God knew what would happen if they lived together.

    -LEVITICUS 19:19 in my Bible it says do not breed different kinds of animals rather than two kinds of cows. I am not sure of the meaning of this but no matter there are lots of things I don't understand.

    -GENESIS 19:8 is not suggesting that if evil men come to your house to assault you that you should try to appease them with your virgin daughters. This is the story of Lot living in Sodom when two angels of the Lord came to check out the city to see if it was as evil as the outcry to the Lord. Men of all ages came to his house to have sex with the two men (angels) and Lot knew it was better to offer his daughters than Angels of the Lord. You failed to mention what happened to the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Both destroyed by fire and brimstone from the Lord as well as Lot's wife was turn into a pillar of salt because she looked back and was told not to look back.

    The Old Testament has a lot of do's and dont's and it sounds strange to us in the 21st century but all of that changed when Jesus was sent here to die for our sins. When asked what is the greatest commandment he neatly summarized all of these by saying to "love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as thyself".

  • Pitchforkprotester and his ilk are like the Islamist Taliban, or Russia's Vladimir Putin, that is how.
    These guys are our very own Taliban who pick and choose the verses in their Bible that they try to adhere to, and then to ignore all of the other insane things that may or may not have been OK 5,000 years agoin the Middle East...or are still practiced by the fanatic Taliban today. Sure, there are a lot of references to homosexuality in the Old Testiment, along with crazy "norms" like the following...here is also what the Bible tells you 570...which ones are you going to follow?


    -2 KINGS 6:29 says: "So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son."

    Yup, that's cannibalsim. Or, worse-than-cannibalism if you're considering the fact that he ate his own kid.
    -Leviticus 25:44 says: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

    Yes, you read that right. It's A-OK to own slaves -- as long as they're foreigners. That may be the worst immigration policy we've ever heard.
    -In biblical times, your travel plans could involve mass murder. According to Deuteronomy 13:12-15, if you find that the people in the city you're visiting worship another god, you have to kill them all. 

    And by "all", the bible means everyone in the city. It seems a little severe but it'll certainly make your travel blog more interesting.
    Ripped jeans have been in style for a while. Unfortunately for fashionistas, this particular trend comes with a first class ticket to ****. Leviticus 10:6 says: “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.” Question: is it the act of ripping your pants that sends you to ****? Because we bought these jeans pre-distressed. So we're good, right?
    -Leviticus 19:19 says: "You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle". You know all of that delicious crossbreeding that led to the Kobe steak we all love to eat? According to the Bible, it's a sin. If you're a bible purist, it's tough, stringy wild cattle or nothing at all.
    Leviticus 21 has a lot to say about who is and who isn't allowed to be a priest. We all know that anyone who's had sex can't be a Catholic priest. But did you also know that the bible bans anyone with a deformity? You know who else is shut out? Anyone who has a flat nose.
    -Leviticus 20:10 says: "If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die." 

    So, just to be clear, if one spouse cheats, both spouses have to die. That's certainly adding insult to injury. We bet that people in biblical times were really great at hiding their extramarital affairs.
    -Leviticus 20:9 says: "Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense."

    Talk about a zero-tolerance policy for bad behavior. On the bright side, your kids will be much better behaved. On the not-so-bright side, a grocery store temper tantrum could result in a death sentence.
    -Leviticus 24:16 says: "Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him, whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death."

    We knew that saying the Lord's name in vain was a no-no. We didn't know that you're not supposed to say it at all.
    -Ezekiel 16:17 says: "You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them."

    Don't bother reading it twice. It says exactly what you think it says. He gave her some jewelry and she made a golden...implement with it. And then she used it in her job as a prostitute. Gross.
    -Deuteronomy 28:53 says: "Then because of the dire straits to which you will be reduced when your enemy besieges you, you will eat your own children, the flesh of your sons and daughters whom the Lord has given you."

    When you're under seige, you can't exactly go out for pizza. So what do you do about food? According to the Bible, you eat your children. Why does the bible have so many stories that involve eating kids?!
    -Genesis 19:8: “Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

    The rules are pretty simple. If someone comes to your house and insists on assaulting someone, you should give him your virgin daughters. Because handing over your guests for sexual assault is just bad manners.
    -Leviticus 19:19 says: "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material." We'd like to give you a moment or two to check your labels. 

    90% cotton/10% rayon? Congratulations, you're a sinner. We knew that bad fashion was a crime -- just not against God.
    -Deuteronomy 22:20-21 states: "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die."

    If your husband isn't your first, you're in for trouble. Hard, stony trouble to be exact. That's a high price to pay for a little premarital fun.
    -Leviticus 10-11 states: "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you."

    What did shellfish ever do to anyone? It's innocent. And delicious -- especially when covered with butter...This is going to be a dealbreaker for a lot of people.
    -1 Corinthians 14:34-35 states: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."

    If you're a woman and you find yourself in a church, it's time to be quiet. Have questions about the sermon? Too bad. But the Bible does say that you're allowed to ask your husband when you get home. That is, after you've made dinner and put the kids to bed.
    -Exodus 31:14-15 states: "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

    That means no working on Sunday -- ever. Break this rule and you can be put to death. E-mail this to your boss the next time they try to lure you into weekend work. We think this applies to chores around the house too.
    -Mark 10:11-12 states: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."

    According to the Bible, there are no do-overs in marriage. If you get married again, you're committing adultery. That's certainly a broader definition than we're used to. We know a few celebrities who are in a lot of trouble...
    -"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets/Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." -Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

    Well that's...bizarre. According to this, wives aren't allowed to help their husbands in a fight by squeezing the other guys' "secrets". If she does, he's got to cut your hand off. That seems a little bit extreme. But squeezing a man's "secrets" is bad form so...
    -Deuteronomy 23:1 states: "No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the Assembly of God."

    That seems oddly specific. We had no idea that the Bible was quite so concerned about our junk. But this is pretty clear. If you've been the unfortunate victim of a groin accident, there's more bad news. You're not going to get into heaven. Talk about adding insult to injury.
     
    And that is just 20...there are a lot more!
     

  • Your right it is a free country and I have the right to accept or reject any lifestyle I please without being called a bigot, racist, homophobe,etc......And that's the total point they DEMAND acceptance and if you don't accept it they attack or use laws to force it.  Just like they believe we should accept them for who they are,  they should also accept those who oppose their view.  And by the way the new millenium did NOT change the natural order of things.  And the natural order is it takes males and females to reproduce. I don't care if you call it a choice, call it genetic,  it's still unatural PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT.!  

  • Melton said that pitchforkprotester was obviously drug related.

  • So Legion are you saying that people that know because of what the Bible tells us, that being a homosexual is wrong that we are religious fanatics? If so what type of religious people that believe in the Bible are normal?

    Again what people do in private is non of my buisness. Like what pitch said don't force your beliefs on me and I wont force my beliefs on you. Don't force me to rent to people that I don't want to when it is my money that bought the property without the help of anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • So you can be compassionate and accepting of "your" gay relatives but to heck with the rest? And for once I will agree with you ....this world is not "FAIR" but it should be. And I have never called you "racist, bigot or any other foul name so don't even go there. You have me confused with someone else. And you sir do not know what I stand for or think so quit assuming. One more thing ...how did Islamist get into this conversation? Or do you think they are gay" too?

  •   These people are human beings and they have as much right to live a happy life as any of you. And like 5682 said...who the he!! are you to dictate how these people live. I bet if someone told you how to live your life you would be raising he!! too!

    You're absolutely correct ukfan they are human beings and have as much right to live a happy life, but not to mandate by law/ ordinance for others to show them FAIRNESS in life. There is no such thing as a FAIR life. Life is what you make it.

    There are Federal laws against discrimination, it isn't anyones fault that the LGBT's have a hard time proving discrimination, it's hard for anyone to prove discrimination period.

    I am not the one dictating anything, yet I am being told that I have to accept, or show FAIRNESS to a group, small group that it is because of their chosen lifestyle that goes against social norms in of life. It is only by legislation that Liberals are trying to make the world equal. WE ain't equal, we are equal under God and that means his judgement not mine, yours or any MAN made law.

    We are to follow and respect MAN's law according to what Jesus said, and to be orderly to it, but when it is a law that goes against GOd's laws we are to speak out, and that is what is going on today.

    I'm sorry it isn't white washed words that are used, or backing of a Liberal movement to satisfy those who want equal for all but that's life. Accept the fact that as long as you try to MAKE people do something there will be blow back.

    You and Legion think because I'm voicing out against this that I have no compassion for anyone in the LGBT community/group. Oh how wrong you are. When close family members are gay, how can I be hateful towards others? It is impossible. They even think this FAIRNESS is a bunch of crap and they live productive happy lives, but those are the gay's that Liberals do not want to be known because it weakens their equal for everyone fight.

    You have even accused me along with others here of being racist, a bigot, yet I have mixed raced close family members, nephews, nieces, cousins which I love, will defend against any aggressor. That even goes against the standing order of Liberals that everyone that voices  out against social programs, or this flim flam of a president are racist, bigoted haters and Liberals do not want me known, or try to push off that I'm only saying I'm not to cover my rear end. What a bunch of donkey crap...

    It's not you, it's what you stand for and try to get others to believe in that is being debated aggressively here and all around America today. It isn't my fault that Liberals are so closed minded that anyone that disagrees with them are 100% wrong. That's that tolerant flag Liberals keep waving except it is a one sided flag...

    So you and Legion go and convince the Islamist that they need to show FAIRNESS too, after all if you're pushing an American like me to make me show FAIRNESS then you go make them as well. 

    I'll be over here with some popcorn because this is gonna be too good to not watch! 

  • Melton said that being gay was likely drug-related. 

  • "We are not the one's dictating anything "they" are the one's dictating what they want."

    They don't want your kindness!  All that they want is to be left alone by mean arses like you!  You don't have to be "kind" (impossible), just indifferent.  We don't care what YOU think about gays...it's nothing new.  Your position is clear...it is the stuff of religious fanatics and Russian Premiers...great company you are keeping!  Taliban much? 

    "Just like they can choose to be gay... "

    You are so pompous that you actually believe that you can get into other people's heads and feel what they feel!  In reality, you can't even understand what they are telling you with words, much less read minds.  God must love gays...SHE sure made plenty of them! 

  • You don't HAVE to adapt. You can stay in the previous millennium if you like. It's a free country, and you'd have plenty of company.

     

  • Why do "we" we have to adapt? Why don't they?-----We are not the one's dictating anything "they" are the one's dictating what they want.-----Just like they can choose to be gay , I can choose not to agree with their lifestyle.------I am not gonna pick on them, I am not gonna bash them.  But, using legislation to force kindness will never work and will only drive the wedge deeper.

  • Hetrosexual people (like me) are not being asked to accept anything by the gay rights movement, except to be indifferent.  Some of you claim to be indifferent but you never miss a chance to get your cheap shots in mulitple times on each thread.  It is just so mean spirited!

    Nobody is asking you to understand, just adapt.  You are on the wrong (and losing) side of history here.

    Pitch, I hope all of your children/grandchildren are gay.

  • These people are human beings and they have as much right to live a happy life as any of you. And like 5682 said...who the he!! are you to dictate how these people live. I bet if someone told you how to live your life you would be raising he!! too!

  • Pitchforkprotester - Who made you judge and jury? Don't judge someone just because they sin differently than YOU!

  • Well said Bodeen and wow we agree again.------So homosexuality is genetic? So if your family tree has no homosexuals in the tree, now exactly where does that gene come from? Is it a mutation,genetic defect?----Its a lifestyle preference/choice and sometimes learned behavior. Did anybody see the article this week where the boy in the UK has their son to pretend to breast feed his dolls?------people call us bigots because we don't agree with their belief...So aren't they bigots if they don't agree with my belief?

  • Pitchforkprotester we are not dying out by a longshot. these people are doing the exact same thing that they accuse others of doing to them. What they want is ALL OF TO BE QUIET AND ACCEPT IT, Shhh, don't say anything or we will blast you as a bigot, an idiot, stupid, racist.. The last thing these folks want is for this to be put on a nationwide ballot. It will show that most people do not want or accept this behavior. By them doing it this way they bypass the very fundamental process of how our nation works. Contrary to what they say, if they are allowed than the next pervert should be allowed and that does includes pedophiles, beastality, etc.

    No amount of name calling or threats will coward down the people and they should know that but then again????

  • We are ALL sinners ...even you pitchfork. I am not angered or pi$$ed off...you believe whatever you want because your beliefs don't interfer with my life. But you want to talk about being forced into something yet you yourself are doing the same by trying to force your beliefs on other people. You don't want anyone telling you how to live your life so you need to let these people live theirs in peace.

  • Ok Acadumic, and ukfan I'll back this 199% just as soon as you go and get the Islamist to do the same. You want the country to be diverse then get in gear and get going to get the whole country behind FAIRNESS!

    Homosexuality is sin, just like adultery, idol worship, greed, gluttony. taking of the Lord thy Gods name in vain. child abuse of any degree etc. Problem is you pickers and choosers decide which sin is not sin. Even you doing that is a sin. It isn't my fault you try to explain away things by interjecting some voodoo science, and to invoke ALL GOD's children as your measure for acceptance is blasphemy, which is a sin too.

    The Supreme court can do whatever it chooses to do doesn't mean I have to follow to.People like me aren't dying out and the fight is not over by a long shot, but I understand your cowardice and need to insult me and other people like me.

    Love the sinner hate the sin, it's not going to be both ways no matter how many of MAN's LAWS you get passed. That my friend is what pi$$es you and every one else behind this move off and brings out you ignorance and anger you just can't make people do what you want.

    I could care less what you get passed I don't have to acceot it, follow it, vote for it, agree with it.

    Again ukfan you input something that wasn't there to begin with I made to reference to hurting hetrosexuals, I said again, it is a shame how hetrosexuals are FORCED to accept chosen lifestyles.But I digress maybe me and people like me are going about thsi the wrong way. A

  • I want to know how these people are hurting heterosexuals. No one is forcing you into a gay life style. Why should you dictate how others should live? We are ALL God's children. You call all the persecution and grief these people get everyday..."fame and glory"? You are a troubled soul.

  • God, pitchfork, your ignorance is staggering.  Homosexuality is no more of a choice than heterosexuality.  Sexual orientation is an innate, genetic imperative.  Still, the people who believe the way you do in this country are slowly dying out and will eventually realize that they have been on the wrong end of the argument.  Within the next year or so, the Supreme Court will rule that all states must recognize gay marriages legally performed in a growing number of states, which will open the door for gay marriage in all states.  Sorry, but you are on the losing end of this fight.  You might consider moving to Nigeria.  You'd probably enjoy it.  They have recently legalized the beating and killing of gay men and women there.  Sounds like it might be right up your alley.    

  • Yeah I agree with the bigotry. It's a shame how hetrosexual people are forced to accept chosen lifestyles. One way to secure acceptance is to make people do it after all isn't that the Golden Rule of standards these days? Force things onto a people regardless of their views or beliefs all in under the label of FAIRNESS!

    Idk but I think that's bending the rules to favoritism for one group, small group that it is. SO hey why not get the wheels turning for pediphiles, beastyiality, and other sorts of chosen lifestyles. No since in just allowing LGBT to have all the fame and glory is it?

  • This is significant.  Frankfort should be proud to be a City of Fairness!  Let's hope the legislature gives this worthy bill a hearing.  Notwithstanding the bigotry that has and continues to accompany this movement, Fairness is winning here and throughout the country. 

  • New TV show soap opera.....As The World Crumbles.....the sad thing is its more reality tv than soap opera and America is leading the ratings

  • New TV show soap opera.....As The World Crumbles.....the sad thing is its more reality tv than soap opera and America is leading the ratings