Recently a longtime University of Kentucky fan who has season tickets to both men’s basketball and football games posed a question that I was not sure how to answer. She wondered who I thought was the better recruiter — John Calipari or Vince Marrow.
The more I thought about the question, the harder it became for me to answer. Calipari obviously has had the higher ranked recruiting classes, but shouldn’t he considering the magnitude and tradition of Kentucky basketball?
Yet what Marrow has helped the football program do during his time as recruiting coordinator is unprecedented. He’s bringing in big-time talent consistently that few ever thought UK football could and has helped make UK football a national brand.
Marrow also has to help recruit up to 25 players annually while Calipari and his staff usually target four to six players.
My instinct tells me that Marrow might actually be the better recruiter because of the odds he’s overcome, but then how do you not respect the first-round draft picks Calipari has had or players he’s put into the NBA? He also has a national championship.
I decided to reach out to several media members who cover both UK basketball football and basketball for their thoughts, knowing there is not a right or wrong answer. Not everyone asked wanted to respond, but those who did were free to use any perspective they wanted to make their choice.
Tyler Thompson, Kentucky Sports Radio editor-in-chief: “It may seem hard to compare the two, but both John Calipari and Vince Marrow have succeeded in recruiting by taking unique approaches. Although Billy Gillispie made a mess during his two years in Lexington, Calipari inherited a blue blood program with great tradition. He capitalized on that and brought in arguably the most important recruiting class in Kentucky history in John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, and Eric Bledsoe, giving new life to a program that desperately needed it.
“From there, Kentucky's record of putting players in the pros became Calipari's calling card and keeps the Cats at the top of every elite recruit's list. The one-and-done rule used to be viewed as a stigma of the sport, but Calipari's success at Kentucky forced the rest of college basketball to adapt, including the almighty Mike Krzyzewski at Duke.
“On the flip side, Vince Marrow took a program with little history and reputation and made it a viable option for a niche of players from the state of Ohio that maybe weren't good enough to get offers from Ohio State or Michigan, but wanted to play against great competition. The Ohio pipeline has transformed Kentucky football, breeding enough success that Marrow is now able to capture the attention of elite players and even compete with those Big Ten programs for prospects.
“In that sense, you could argue that what Marrow's done is more impressive, but hauling the best or second best recruiting class every year speaks for itself. Kentucky fans should feel incredibly lucky to have both in Lexington.”
Jeff Drummond, Cats Illustrated managing editor: “This is an intriguing question. After debating it a bit in my own mind, I would submit that it should be judged somewhat like an Olympic sport with degree of difficulty factored into the comparison.
“There's no disputing that John Calipari is one of the best recruiters on the planet (for any college sport) but he's also in the perfect situation to make that happen. Billy Clyde Gillespie proved that it's not quite an ‘auto-pilot’ situation, but it probably feels like one compared to the gang over at the football complex. When Coach Cal sets out to recruit a class, he's got instant access to almost every 5-star prospect at the top of the rankings.
“Vince Marrow doesn't have that luxury, but he has helped shatter all the prior notions that UK cannot compete against the traditional ‘big boys’ of college football and expanded the Cats' recruiting sphere from the old, familiar five-hour radius to all corners of the country.
“If pressed for a definitive answer, I would go with coach Cal and those 30-some NBA Draft picks he has produced. Marrow has excelled in finding underrated guys who turned out to be 4- and 5-star players, but to be on Cal's level he needs a few more elite-level guys like current 5-star commit Justin Rogers. I wouldn't put it past him.”
Michael Bennett, host of “Just The Cats”, a daily sports radio show: “It’s not even close. Vince Marrow is the king of recruiting for UK. Don’t get me wrong, Cal is one of the country’s top recruiters and I’m glad he is at UK. I would not trade him for the world, but comparing UK basketball to UK football in recruiting is comparing my speed and agility to the likes of Lynn Bowden. We all know how that would turn out.
“UK has a rich history when it comes to basketball. When Cal arrived the Wildcats had seven national championships, add Rupp Arena in the mix, most successful coaches will continue with the winning tradition.
“When it comes to UK football the Wildcats have no tradition at all. That alone makes it more difficult for Vince Marrow & company. The ‘Big Dog’ is not only getting nationally known talent to consider Kentucky, but is now getting them to commit. I can’t remember in my lifetime when UK was competing with the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Miami, Florida State, Penn State, etc., and winning.
“It was only 2-3 years ago when the Angry Birds of Louisville were owning the city of Louisville (in recruiting). Now that Vince has taken over the recruiting responsibilities of Kentucky’s largest city, the Cats are now owning the city’s best football talent.
“Prove me wrong because I’m right.”
Alan Cutler, former WLEX-TV sports anchor: “Cal. He did a better job recruiting at UMass and Memphis than many realized. And, his first class at UK, coming in so late, is one of the greatest recruiting jobs ever. Not just at UK, but ever. Plus, how many billions will Cal’s recruits make?
“That being said, what Vince has done for UK and (coach Mark) Stoops is past remarkable. I can’t think of another UK assistant football coach who’s done more. Great people skills and he keeps it real. In today’s crazy world of coaching salaries, he’s underpaid by a lot!”
Keith Taylor, Kentucky Today sports editor: “I think John Calipari is the better recruiter simply because he has produced more NBA prospects and Kentucky is such an easier sell for him because of the tradition in UK basketball.
“Vince Marrow is starting to get the recruits to keep the program consistent, and that’s a big plus where the Wildcats have been lacking. It helps in the foundation of the program and keeps each recruiting class relevant. Calipari has a smaller pool to choose from and his recruits have been on target with the exception of a few during his first 10 years at Kentucky.
“I think Marrow is a perfect fit for the Wildcats, and his influence has definitely been an asset to the program. It’s perhaps the best hire Mark Stoops made at UK.”
Larry Glover, host of “Larry Glover Live,” a daily radio talk show: “I would say Calipari, given his success at UK and his job of building national title contenders at school outside the power conferences. That said, the fact that this question can be asked does say a lot about what Vince has done with UK football. Ultimately, UK football will have to win consistently and make some national noise for any chance of supplanting Cal as the better recruiter.”
Justin Rowland, Rivals.com recruiting analyst and Cats Illustrated publisher: “I’ve racked my brain on how to answer this and the best I can say is they do very different things because football recruiting at Kentucky and basketball recruiting at Kentucky are entirely different.
“They have both accomplished something historic. No college basketball coach in the sports history has pulled in one incredible class after another every single year the way John Calipari has, and no assistant coach at Kentucky at least in the football modern era has consistently cleaned up the way Vince Marrow has. Morrow probably has more hands-on personal and day-to-day involvement with the many players he recruits each year because that's the way football recruiting goes. Calipari serves as the closer for the top basketball prospects in the country.
“In relative terms Calipari players have certainly been ranked higher but he is also promoting a brand in Kentucky basketball that is infinitely easier to sell than Kentucky football.”
Benny Snell will make his NFL debut Sunday night when the Pittsburgh Steelers open the season at New England and the former UK running back’s mother, April Snell, is as excited as her son.
“We just feel blessed. So super proud of him and all he’s done,” she said. “I still really don’t know much about the NFL. I am still a college mom. He is living his dream just like somebody else’s son who might have always wanted be an attorney, teacher or anything else. For Benny, it was to play in the NFL.
“We are still really Steeler newbies learning the songs, all about the Terrible Towels and what to do. They take their Steelers very, very seriously in Pittsburgh. It is Steelers all day and all night for the fans. They love their team and we are happy to be part of that because just like we were at UK, we are all-in now with the Steelers.”
April Snell did have some regrets about not being back at Kentucky. Benny Snell had three straight 1,000-yard rushing seasons to become UK’s all-time leading rusher before giving up his senior season to turn pro after UK went 10-3 last year.
“I cannot tell you how much I miss Kentucky,” she said. “When Benny put out he was going to be in the draft, I cried. I did not want him to leave. I wanted to stay. Kentucky is home to me. I love everything about it.”
She hopes to be at the Florida game Sept. 14 with her husband — remember before last season she boldly predicted UK would end that horrendous losing streak to the Gators and Kentucky did.
“I stay in touch with some football moms and friends at UK I made along the way,” she said. “I just wish everybody well. I think again a lot of people have Kentucky underrated. They are just going to fly under the radar and do great again.”
April Snell said former UK linebacker Bud Dupree, a first-round draft pick in 2015, has “taken care of Benny and helped him learn the ropes” in Pittsburgh.
“Bud is taking care of him and making sure everything is good,” Snell’s mother said. “Hopefully going forward when the Steelers pick up somebody else from Kentucky, Benny can return the favor.
“I remember once when we were at UK and Bud walked in and we were all star struck. Now Benny is on the same team with him which just shows that (Mark) Stoops and Vince (Marrow) are doing a wonderful job bringing in recruits and building to get better every year.”
Morris getting ready
Former Kentucky standout Maci Morris is now in Italy preparing to start her professional career with USE Basketball in early October.
If you are a Morris fan, one way to follow her season will be following USE Basket on Facebook. As soon as Morris landed in Italy, the team posted photos of her along with this message: “Maci Morris just landed at Amerigo Vespucci airport. Waiting for her there was our Erin Mathias. Welcome in Italy, Maci!”
The post was in Italian but a Facebook translation tab switches it to English for you.
Her mother, Patti, said is seemed “like forever” that the former UK star had been gone just a few days after she got overseas.
“We are already going over there in October. She's in culture shock … no air conditioning or clothes dryers. She's roughing it for sure,” her mother said.
Morris will face a familiar foe in her first professional game. Patti Morris said former Tennessee star Diamond DeShields, who also plays in the WNBA, will be on the opposing team.
Joseph’s decision surprises Hiles
Former Kentucky all-SEC defensive back Van Hiles wasn’t surprised when sophomore Kelvin Joseph decided to transfer from LSU because of the talent in the LSU secondary. However, he was a bit surprised when Joseph, a top 40 player in the 2018 recruiting class, made a decision to transfer to UK so quickly.
“Seems like he had an eye out for us from the beginning,” Hiles, who lives in Louisiana, said.
Joseph was suspended in the Fiesta Bowl because of a violation of team rules, but he played in 11 games for LSU last season. He was a U.S. Army All-American and had 113 tackles as a senior and 67 as a junior when his team won a state championship. He returned a combined 13 kicks, punts and interceptions for touchdowns in his high school career and has been timed in under 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash.
“His abilities are off the charts. He played high school football in a very competitive district (in Baton Rouge) and was a standout. He’s long and physical at the line of scrimmage. Needs to improve on technique, which is something our coaches are very good at developing,” Hiles, who played in 16 games with the Chicago Bears in 1997, said. “Has a high ceiling. He’s a big get for the program.”
Joseph will sit out this season as a transfer and then have three years of eligibility left. Hiles thinks the timing is perfect for him and UK.
“Gets him time to get acclimated to the surroundings and the coaching style plus it will help academically, too,” Hiles said.
The former UK standout believes Joseph’s transfer says volumes about what coach Mark Stoops has done for the UK football program.
“This says we are on the radar of the top athletes. We have proven it with the 2020 (recruiting) class and prior classes,” Hiles said. “Stoops/Marrow have done an incredible job of not only finding quality teaching coaches but also quality recruiters whom are able to connect with the current high school athlete.”
Included in the 2019 recruiting class was Louisiana quarterback Amani Gilmore, a player Hiles thought could turn into a “steal” for UK based on his talent.
Could adding Joseph to the roster now, too, have an impact on Kentucky being able to recruit more in Louisiana?
“Not really, but it doesn’t hurt to have someone from your state that you will naturally gravitate to because of that connection,” Hiles said.